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    I can't argue with anything on this string. I would like to add the intense riders to the list. Riders that blaze down a crowded path because they're trying to beat a Strava time. As much as ignorance plays into accidents on a path, a rider feeling the need bust out a 10 mile ride at 30 mph is just as dangerous. Those guys should be on the road.

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    I like the five fat people out for a slow motion power walk, shoulder to shoulder, totally blocking the path, and too intense in their conversation, to realize anyone is near them, even with the bell ringing and hollering......................

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanderer View Post
    I like the five fat people out for a slow motion power walk, shoulder to shoulder, totally blocking the path, and too intense in their conversation, to realize anyone is near them, even with the bell ringing and hollering......................
    Oh they hear you, they just don't care.

    I know cuz they always get upset if I pull up behind them and go:

    MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
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    All of these things are frustrating, I avoid some of this by riding on the trail that goes out by the farms. There is a 10 mile gap with few residences nearby, walkers and runners don't tend to be on this leg of the trail in high numbers. If I went the other direction on the same trail, I would run into 10 times the number of people.
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    +1 on Airzound, especially if you have replaced the bottle to larger capacity
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    Quote Originally Posted by delcrossv View Post
    One word: Airzound.

    I have also been known to follow behind enraptured ipod users, who are evidently getting their daily instructions from the alien overlords, and then watching them jump when they see me right behind them.
    Amen to that. People jump when you yell "On your left" or if you don't say anything. The last ride my wife and I were on we were riding into the wind, there were two joggers with ear buds in, I yelled on your left but they couldn't hear me. We rode by and they jumped up in the air about a foot and started screaming at us to warn them. What? Take the damn ear buds out of your head, will you. I wouldn't ride my bike with my hearing blocked. But saying that I know it will never end. Just try to be as cautious as possible.

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    I have an Acme Siren Whistle I use to clear the path when needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclosaurus View Post
    I have an Acme Siren Whistle I use to clear the path when needed.
    Bookmarked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregjones View Post
    However, there are some kite owners that can walk as slow as they like with no complaints from me.
    We are on the same page.
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    How about:

    #1: Don't be a jerk

    Put away the whistles and Airzound and accept that the path is for ALL users, including slow walkers and squirrely kids. Look ahead, anticipate risky situations and - gasp - slow down. Make sure you have plenty of room when passing. If you want to go fast, wait until you have a clear section of trail or - heavens - ride on the road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantoj View Post
    How about:

    #1: Don't be a jerk

    Put away the whistles and Airzound and accept that the path is for ALL users, including slow walkers and squirrely kids. Look ahead, anticipate risky situations and - gasp - slow down. Make sure you have plenty of room when passing. If you want to go fast, wait until you have a clear section of trail or - heavens - ride on the road.
    I agree with the title and very rarely use it on the trails.

    That being said, you'll sometimes run into real idiots who suddenly jump into your path with no warning because they're in their own little world wearing ear buds. In these cases, I gladly toot my Air Zound (or Hornit). I don't consider that being a jerk.

    (I also have a bell that I use a lot on MUPs just to let people know that I'm coming up behind them.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by StephenH View Post
    That's a pretty good reason not to ride on bike trails.
    Maybe, but I'd rather contend with distracted pedestrians than distracted drivers.

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    I agree with many of the things mentioned, but also want to add that some of the problems riders face are self-inflicted. Do you really need to haul ass through a congested part of the greenway? Do you really need to veer into opposing traffic when passing, instead of slowing down and letting the opposition get past before making your pass?

    Walkers/joggers/stroller pushers can indeed be jerks, but I've seen pleny of cyclists that also fit the bill. I can easily see why non-cyclists hate us as much as they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantoj View Post
    How about:

    #1: Don't be a jerk

    Put away the whistles and Airzound and accept that the path is for ALL users, including slow walkers and squirrely kids. Look ahead, anticipate risky situations and - gasp - slow down. Make sure you have plenty of room when passing. If you want to go fast, wait until you have a clear section of trail or - heavens - ride on the road.
    I figure "share the space" works both ways.

    That means cyclists shouldn't be looking to set a new TT record on a shared path, and slow users should let faster users through. If you've got children or dogs, don't let them roam over the bike path.

    Sometimes cyclists bring it on themselves by trying to set new speed records in places it's really not appropriate, but other times the guy on the bike just wants to get past the pedestrians who are spreading all over the trail and not paying any attention to their surroundings.

    As always the fundamental problem boils down to a lack of consideration for anyone else. Whether the problem is with cyclists interacting with pedestrians, cyclists interacting with cars, cars interacting with cars, most problem fundamentally come down to someone thinking they are all-important and everybody else's job is to get out of the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by contango View Post
    I figure "share the space" works both ways.

    That means cyclists shouldn't be looking to set a new TT record on a shared path, and slow users should let faster users through. If you've got children or dogs, don't let them roam over the bike path.

    Sometimes cyclists bring it on themselves by trying to set new speed records in places it's really not appropriate, but other times the guy on the bike just wants to get past the pedestrians who are spreading all over the trail and not paying any attention to their surroundings.

    As always the fundamental problem boils down to a lack of consideration for anyone else. Whether the problem is with cyclists interacting with pedestrians, cyclists interacting with cars, cars interacting with cars, most problem fundamentally come down to someone thinking they are all-important and everybody else's job is to get out of the way.
    I think that about sums it up pretty well. If only "common courtesy" was a bit more common than it truly is, a lot of these conflicts would far less frequent, and much easier to resolve more quickly and peacefully.

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    They are MUPs, not dedicated bike paths, but I can relate. Certain stretches of the Oak Leaf and Interurban Trails in Southeastern Wisconsin are almost unpassible on a mild Saturday or Sunday afternoon. Fortunately, there are plenty of alternate routes that remain a secret to the casual biking crowd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelsodeez View Post
    on the bay trail in san mateo, we have to deal with people that have these massive inflated kites for kiteboarding on the bay. they will take up the entire trail walking from the rental shack to the beach and have no remorse when the wind picks up and slams into you.


    Well, dunno about you, but she can get in my way anytime!

    My experiences on the C&O Canal in Harpers Ferry, WV...

    - My favorites are the ones who see you coming, yet continue to chat in the middle of the trail, causing me to have to slow down to the point of navigating around them.

    - How could I forget the idiots who just walk zig-zagged down the path, and then at the first sign of seeing a train on the bridge ahead, just STOP right in the middle of the trail...RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME. Then, what happens? They get upset with ME!

    - The horse**** all over the path. Yep, no problem to have to navigate around mounds and mounds of horse loaf.

    - The numerous amounts of idiots who ride all the way across the trail, and then don't want to move to single-file as other riders are heading towards them.

    - Parking bikes in the middle of the trail, then just staring at you as you're heading towards them. They don't even bother pulling off to the side of the trail!

    - The idiot iPod user who takes up the entire trail. I can scream at the top of my lungs that I'm trying to pass, only to be slowed to a a crawl. I have had to ride up to people and tap them on the shoulder to move. I've even had a few couples jogging side by side, turn around and look at me, then turn around and continue going without going single file, making it near impossible to pass. In that case, I just ride right through the middle of them. If they get whacked with the handlebars, it's their own faults.

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    So, my family and I headed out to a nearby state park to get some riding in this weekend. We pulled into the parking lot and luckily found an open spot which happened to be next to a couple of women with about six pre-teen kids probably between 7 and 10 years old running around. My son and I started unloading our bikes and one of the boys from next to us came over to check out the bikes. So far, no problem here as he was just looking....

    Well, the "just looking" didn't last long. When I turned to unload my son's bike from the carrier, I hear a crash from behind me and turn around to see my bike on the ground and this kid dragging it along behind him on the asphalt by the rim of the front tire heading back to where the moms and other kids were hanging out.

    So, I yell at the kid to stop and drop it! Thankfully he did and there was only minor damage to the outer edge of the pedal, however, he ran over to one of the moms who then starts mouthing off to me about yelling at her kid. It was all I could do to just turn my back and not cause a bigger scene. I don't blame the kid so much as the mom. It's obvious that he wasn't raised with any sense of respect for others' belongings, etc. I just can't understand this attitude and I'm seeing it more and more these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLJeepGuy View Post
    So, my family and I headed out to a nearby state park to get some riding in this weekend. We pulled into the parking lot and luckily found an open spot which happened to be next to a couple of women with about six pre-teen kids probably between 7 and 10 years old running around. My son and I started unloading our bikes and one of the boys from next to us came over to check out the bikes. So far, no problem here as he was just looking....

    Well, the "just looking" didn't last long. When I turned to unload my son's bike from the carrier, I hear a crash from behind me and turn around to see my bike on the ground and this kid dragging it along behind him on the asphalt by the rim of the front tire heading back to where the moms and other kids were hanging out.

    So, I yell at the kid to stop and drop it! Thankfully he did and there was only minor damage to the outer edge of the pedal, however, he ran over to one of the moms who then starts mouthing off to me about yelling at her kid. It was all I could do to just turn my back and not cause a bigger scene. I don't blame the kid so much as the mom. It's obvious that he wasn't raised with any sense of respect for others' belongings, etc. I just can't understand this attitude and I'm seeing it more and more these days.
    That's absolutely bizarre. I would have taken the mom to task too. I could understand that behavior from a 3 year old, but a 7 year old?
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    Quote Originally Posted by delcrossv View Post
    That's absolutely bizarre. I would have taken the mom to task too. I could understand that behavior from a 3 year old, but a 7 year old?
    I agree that it was a bit odd, and to be honest, I didn't want to yell any more at the kid as I had a feeling he might have been a bit mentally challenged based on his behavior while looking at the bikes. And yes, my initial reaction was to lay into the mom, but with all those kids there, and my whole family there, I refrained.

    On the good side, my bike has survived it's first drop, so now I can be a little less OCD about it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLJeepGuy View Post
    I didn't want to yell any more at the kid as I had a feeling he might have been a bit mentally challenged based on his behavior while looking at the bikes.
    That puts a different spin on things, for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FLJeepGuy View Post
    I agree that it was a bit odd, and to be honest, I didn't want to yell any more at the kid as I had a feeling he might have been a bit mentally challenged based on his behavior while looking at the bikes. And yes, my initial reaction was to lay into the mom, but with all those kids there, and my whole family there, I refrained.

    On the good side, my bike has survived it's first drop, so now I can be a little less OCD about it!
    Probably more like "apple don't fall too far from the tree"....

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLJeepGuy View Post
    I agree that it was a bit odd, and to be honest, I didn't want to yell any more at the kid as I had a feeling he might have been a bit mentally challenged based on his behavior while looking at the bikes. And yes, my initial reaction was to lay into the mom, but with all those kids there, and my whole family there, I refrained.
    You did the right thing.

    Regardless of the ability/situation of the 7 year old, the mother is responsible for his behavior. Yes, things happen, but she should have been apologizing for his behavior, not trying to correct yours. Doesn't speak well for the kids future...
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