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Old 12-01-13, 11:17 AM   #1
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13 year old son only plays video games, want to get him a new bike.

My son only plays video games - he doesn't even watch TV or movies! The only outdoor activity he has ever done on his own volition was ride his bicycle. Unfortunately, it was destroyed by a hurricane wind last year. It was a Diamondback Octane, and he seemed to really think it was cool, so I thought I'd get him a Diamondback Overdrive. He is obviously not an enthusiast, but we only have gravel roads and rough here. If I could get a 2013 Overdrive Sport for the same price as a 2014 Overdrive, would that be the way to go? most of the difference seems to be in the brakes, hydraulic vs. regular, the new Overdrive has a number of upgrades to the frame and other components that seem to make it a near match other than the brakes. The sport also allows you to "lock out" the fork.
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I wish I could help out on the bikes, moooog, but I'm not at all familiar with them. Just wanted to welcome you to bikeforums and wish you luck with this one. Those screens can be a tough opponent. Stay after it!
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My son only plays video games - he doesn't even watch TV or movies! The only outdoor activity he has ever done on his own volition was ride his bicycle. Unfortunately, it was destroyed by a hurricane wind last year. It was a Diamondback Octane, and he seemed to really think it was cool, so I thought I'd get him a Diamondback Overdrive. He is obviously not an enthusiast, but we only have gravel roads and rough here. If I could get a 2013 Overdrive Sport for the same price as a 2014 Overdrive, would that be the way to go? most of the difference seems to be in the brakes, hydraulic vs. regular, the new Overdrive has a number of upgrades to the frame and other components that seem to make it a near match other than the brakes. The sport also allows you to "lock out" the fork.
If I were you I would look around to see what the other kids his age are riding . get him something that is trendy, so It give him incentive to ride. I notice kids that age are riding BMX, like the brand "Stolen" anyway that is how I would go about it. Bicycle riding is really good for kids. They dont have to sit on the bench like lots of kids do in football,baseball and so on.

I live in Michigan there are BMX tracks where kids can go on open days and use the track.
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if you think he would like a bike with gears, but you have mostly gravel roads, an appropriately sized cyclocross bike would make him the envy of ALL his bike riding friends.
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There was a video game titled "Downhill Racer" for the older Playstation. It was playable on the PS2 as well. Maybe something like that will entice him to want to ride the "real thing" after beating the game.
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There was a video game titled "Downhill Racer" for the older Playstation. It was playable on the PS2 as well. Maybe something like that will entice him to want to ride the "real thing" after beating the game.
Well, kids normally take to something when their friends are doing it. Some kids may not want to ride alone, or may not have much interesting places to ride to.

If you're quite close to him, make sure you cycle as well. That would be a big incentive for him to go.
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I'd talk to the kid... ask him out-right which bike he might like. Get him involved in the decision making part. For many of us here the color of the bike can make a big difference (no joke).
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I'd talk to the kid... ask him out-right which bike he might like. Get him involved in the decision making part. For many of us here the color of the bike can make a big difference (no joke).
You beat me to it Dave Cutter.

The only thing I would add is visit the LBS ahead of time so you know what's available, and do a little online research as well so you know what's good and bad. But get a budget and let the kid lead. Once he knows what he wants, then it's time to take a restaurant break and have him outline what he's learned and which bike is cool. Then return to the store to make the deal. Done right, the boy will never forget the moment.
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It's easy. If he likes to play games, you may get him a cycling game. After he's addictive at it. Its a good time to get him a new bike, and ride with him !

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I know someone who set up their TV to only work when someone rides the trainer.

Get him to understand it is important to start exercising when he is young. I have one son who will go out for a 20 minute walk but not ride his bike. The other I have no problems keeping active.
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I can relate as I have a 13 year old son who plays video games for hours on end. We have ridden together over the years, but it is getting harder to get him to ride with me. I did convince him to ride with me and his mother last week for a 35 mile ride and tomorrow, we are planning on riding a supported ride of about 45 Miles.

I also signed him up,for a mountain biking team and so had to go get him a mountain bike.

My preferred lbs recommended a Kona Fire Mountain, which retails for $750, basically saying those ubiquitous entry level $400 or $500 mountain bikes wouldn't hold up to even moderate single track. I take advice from bike salesman fwiw as I know they have an interest in selling a more expensive product, but I have a history with this lbs, so I do trust them. Still, not knowing whether mountain biking will become his thing, and given he is still growing a lot, I went the used route. A different lbs had an early 2000s Schwinn Moab, which was a pretty good bike in its time with Deore XT and LX components, tuned up and ready to ride with new chain, brakes, cassette and saddle for just under $200. I figure if he takes to mountain biking, we can sell it and buy a better bike in a year or two once we have a sense of what he wants to do with mountain biking, and if mountain biking isn't his thing, he can use the Moab as a beater around town bike.

Btw, for those longer road rides with me, my son uses my old Bianchi Advantage hybrid running Panaracer Urban Max slick tires.

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We long ago decided that we'd not let the kids play video games. Over the years that's slipped a little as we have a nintendo DS and minecraft on the computer, but nothing like a WII or things like that. They get no more than 30 min in a day and not every day, and then it's done. If they miss their time cut off, it's no games for a week.

Out of 7 I only have one that likes video games a little too much. He gets watched the most. He's also 13. His older brother (15) also likes them but is less of a problem.

Hours a day? No way, you just have to tell them to turn it off.
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I'd talk to the kid... ask him out-right which bike he might like. Get him involved in the decision making part. For many of us here the color of the bike can make a big difference (no joke).
Hell yes. And get him involved in the shopping. Great cahnce for quality time and also for helping transitioning the relationship to treating him more like an adult.
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My son only plays video games - he doesn't even watch TV or movies! The only outdoor activity he has ever done on his own volition was ride his bicycle. Unfortunately, it was destroyed by a hurricane wind last year. It was a Diamondback Octane, and he seemed to really think it was cool, so I thought I'd get him a Diamondback Overdrive. He is obviously not an enthusiast, but we only have gravel roads and rough here. If I could get a 2013 Overdrive Sport for the same price as a 2014 Overdrive, would that be the way to go? most of the difference seems to be in the brakes, hydraulic vs. regular, the new Overdrive has a number of upgrades to the frame and other components that seem to make it a near match other than the brakes. The sport also allows you to "lock out" the fork.
This one is really decent at $200 price point if you do amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FC1TMSI/...I3GGKHBQFHORGE

Might be good to turn teen loose on bikes direct web site. Here is just one example to get you two started down the path;

http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...se1_hybrid.htm

A couple of decades back we faced a similar delimna. We decided to have him invite all his bike owning buddies over for a tune-up / fix-up day at our garage. Did a lot of teaching and safety instructing while also learning what he thought of the other bikes...well to a degree and for the first hour. Then a really cute girl from his class arrived on a rather beat-up Schwinn and his brain fried. Didn't return to rational capacity for about a decade!
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We long ago decided that we'd not let the kids play video games. Over the years that's slipped a little as we have a nintendo DS and minecraft on the computer, but nothing like a WII or things like that. They get no more than 30 min in a day and not every day, and then it's done. If they miss their time cut off, it's no games for a week.

Out of 7 I only have one that likes video games a little too much. He gets watched the most. He's also 13. His older brother (15) also likes them but is less of a problem.

Hours a day? No way, you just have to tell them to turn it off.
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Not to be preachy, but come on people, be a parent! Playing that many video games is terrible for a child. I work in mental health and it is abundantly clear that this kind of behavior is detrimental. We have no video games and my children rarely ever get on the TV. Do a little research online and then decide to parent your child by not letting them ruin their mind with excessive video games. I know that comes cross a bit harsh, but who cares, it's the truth and I'm commenting anonymously on the Internet.
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Another vote for getting him involved in the shopping. You can have him "professionally fitted" at a shop so that he realizes that cycling is cool and "in depth"! He will know what he wants as soon as he sees it. They are better judges of cool factor when it comes to peer reviewed equipment.
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Video games are designed to be addictive. Not a whole lot you can do other than get rid of the games.
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Take him to the bike shops, tell him he gets to pick out his own bike but can't go over $600. Then you get to be hero dad when you disagree with his choice and offer to go up to $800 in order to get a truly cool bike.
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Gravel roads for a 13 year old I would go with this. $400 cross bike.
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The biggest thing to get kids to take an interest in something is peer involvement.... as much a problem as the video games and TV have become in America today and as sedentary a lifestyle as we have adopted as a whole, I wonder that there are not more " organized " events specific to that age group.... weekend rides specific to teens and pre teens, some kind of non competitive team sport for cyclists. They need to be able to make friends with people their own age...what is cool to one group of teens may not be cool to another and the only way to get a kid that age to buy into it is to offer them a selection of peers who are also into the same thing.

Not sure I know exactly how to say what I'm trying to say...but taking a kid you want to take an interest in Chess will be far less likely to find it worth his time if you take him to the park to play with the old coffee drinking cigar smoking old men than he will if he got involved in the chess club at school and had a few of his own friends that thought it was " cool " to play with in the club as well.

Kids are social creatures by nature, and sadly they are also pack animals....they thrive in an environment where they can collectively set their own hierarchy and find a way to belong to a group....to that end, I'm not sure just buying him a bike and turning him loose on the gravel road out front is going to do it anymore....maybe back when he was 7 or 8 and the new found freedom and sense of empowerment gained from something like that would keep him interested...

He's reached the age where he is going to be goal oriented, that's why they are so drawn to games at that age...it gives them something to beat, a goal....or something to beat faster than they did last time, another goal, or a chance to gear up an avatar and make him as strong as he can...another goal.....he needs a goal....a reason to bike.

organized BMX, organized distance rides, organized speed rides, organized MTB rides....all with a goal, and all populated by his peers giving him a chance to " belong " to a group of people he sees as equals would be the hook you need....and depending on where you live, that can be VERY hard to come by, especially with enough age appropriate involvement to get/keep him interested.

I don't have the answer for you...but I know what I would be looking for...and if it did not exist, maybe take steps with other local parents to make it exist.

Our kids NEED to be physically active, especially at that age, he's a few short years away from driving and as soon as that bomb drops, it kinda completes the sedentary enablement which plagues us as a society as a whole.

Lastly, I realize this is a 2 year old Necro thread....but I believe in what I wrote...I do not understand the lack of bicycle based organized sports for kids in this age group...perhaps it is due to the variety of bicycle styles, and the prohibitive startup cost for anything outside the X-mart BSOs.....some bikes you guys ride cost more than a lot of kids first cars....cycling is truly one of the least inclusive sports/hobbies I can think of....but this comes from an old fat mans perspective who's planted firmly in the lower middle class for life short of finally winning the lottery.
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Organized sports for solo activities are rare anyhow. The closest thing I can think of in high school sports is cross country, or racket sports, and they are nearly free by comparison to a competition-quality bicycle, and there's no added hassle of ferrying bikes.
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Organized sports for solo activities are rare anyhow. The closest thing I can think of in high school sports is cross country, or racket sports, and they are nearly free by comparison to a competition-quality bicycle, and there's no added hassle of ferrying bikes.
I would say that swimming is the youth sport with the most penetration. It is night and day if you compare USA cycling to USA swimming. I did a search for USA cycling clubs with a youth racing program. There was 50 of them in the USA. There are 1000's of swimming clubs not to mention all of the rec / ymca and country club teams that are outside of USA swimming.

As a country the USA dominates in swimming and not so much in cycling, IMHO part of this is the youth development focus or lack there of with cycling.

I would thing that USA gymnastics is another sport that does a good job at the youth level.

When I was looking up USA cycling clubs in Ohio there was 1 with a youth program. I decided to look up youth fencing clubs there were 8. A youth in Ohio is more likely to be exposed to youth competitive fencing than cycling.
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I would say that swimming is the youth sport with the most penetration. It is night and day if you compare USA cycling to USA swimming. I did a search for USA cycling clubs with a youth racing program. There was 50 of them in the USA. There are 1000's of swimming clubs not to mention all of the rec / ymca and country club teams that are outside of USA swimming.

As a country the USA dominates in swimming and not so much in cycling, IMHO part of this is the youth development focus or lack there of with cycling.

I would thing that USA gymnastics is another sport that does a good job at the youth level.

When I was looking up USA cycling clubs in Ohio there was 1 with a youth program. I decided to look up youth fencing clubs there were 8. A youth in Ohio is more likely to be exposed to youth competitive fencing than cycling.
Probably for the same reasons.

On the bike path Sunday we saw a couple kids on what appeared at first glance to be modern 20" road bikes with drop bars. That was worth a double-take. The 24" are unusual enough
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My oldest is 12. I have to limit him and his brothers on video games. They usually get online with their friends to play. Sometimes there will be a group of kids at my house, and the neighbor kids will rush home ot their computers so that everyone can play online together.

That being said, I don't think that they are inherently bad. I played my fair share of games when I was younger. It's all about balance. Yes, they can play video games. But they also need to participate in sports. And weekend family activities like longer bike rides.
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