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Old 05-28-08, 04:12 PM   #26
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Flag? No.

Warning - Thread HiJack: How is that Seiren working out? I've often thought of selling my Volae and picking up a Seiren.
I love it. It's beautiful to look at, crazy light, and very fast. DF's don't have a chance against it except going up hills. Handling is decent and it climbs well. It's my favorite bike.

One thing to know about it is that there is frame flex when you are hammering (e.g. leg pressing up a short but steep hill, rapid acceleration). There is a modest amount of pedal steer. Somewhere around 40mph, I stop pedaling on descents because it messes up the ride. It's fun at high speeds on sweeping curves.
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Old 05-28-08, 04:57 PM   #27
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I ride a "quasi-lowracer" daily in heavy traffic. I've had a lot of people tell me my flag was the only
thing that kept them from pulling out dead in front of me like out of a driveway or parking lot. There
are too many jackasses behind the wheel where I live ... I might get another flag too ...
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Old 05-28-08, 05:27 PM   #28
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so whats the story with fwd bents?
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Old 05-28-08, 06:46 PM   #29
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I've owned a Bacchetta Aero, Fujin SL-II and an Optima Baron. The Aero wasn't close on hills. That's why I sold it.

Yup. The aero is a snail on the hills, but nice and comfy the whole way - that's for sure. I've also earned a p-38 and it's respectable for sure, but I blow it away with the M5 every time.

What *has* surprised me is how fast the v-rex is up hills! I've been riding my wife's and did a lot of climbing (~10k feet) this past weekend, and it really flies nice and easy up those suckers!
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Never use a flag and never will. It looks stupid and I don't think it works unless you use it to hang a blinkie from - though that's just my opinion. I find a blinkie on the back of my helmet works great though.
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Old 05-29-08, 05:50 PM   #31
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Never use a flag and never will. It looks stupid and I don't think it works unless you use it to hang a blinkie from - though that's just my opinion. I find a blinkie on the back of my helmet works great though.
Well I could argue that helmets look stupid too ... but I won't. I'd rather look stupid alive than look
cool dead ...:
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Old 05-29-08, 07:52 PM   #32
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I've never found a lowracer to be an issue in any sort of traffic, and find cars give me an even wider berth than normal. If you don't own a lowracer, please don't spout stuff you think you heard from somebody that saw a lowracer once.
I will second what aikigreg said. I commute daily on my lowracer and have no problem being able to see, or be seen. Now that doesn't mean all the drivers will behave the same way where others ride, and I also ride with a full awareness that I am lower to the ground and need to pay more attention to visibility issues from both points of view. That being said, I have very few issues I need to dodge, and the strange profile from all directions seems to catch people's attention much better and faster than when I rode an upright.

While the NoComs, and other lowracers are nice bikes, if they are a little out of your price range, don't be afraid to build a lowracer. They can be every bit as fast with the right rider on it.

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Old 06-01-08, 02:42 PM   #33
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so whats the story with fwd bents?
I ride a Cruzbike Sofrider V1, modified with rear wheel covers and a 30-42-52 triple (front rings).
My brother in law, a very experienced cyclist, rides a carbon composite Wilier race bike, outfitted with a very exclusive gruppo.

We rode together on my local roads recently....

The DF bike climbed better than mine. He's a better climber, has a lighter bike and has much more
experience under his belt.
His bike accelerates quicker than mine.

In all other respects (road performance), my FWD recumbent was superior.

Overall, we're a good match.

My average speed is usually somewhere between 16 and 17.2MPH.

Objectively, the only drawback -or compromise- to the FWD design, as implemented in the Cruzbike,
is a lack of drive wheel (front wheel) traction going up steep grades/steep hills.
This can be partially offset with technique:
-using a higher gear;
-adjusting the front tire inflation;
-Body-english: leaning forwards.
Personally this affects me only when cycling on loose surfaces, off road.
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Old 06-01-08, 09:39 PM   #34
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At a local century ride on roads with traffic I was never once run over by any motor vehicle or one that pulled up along my side at a stop sign. So much for the theory that lowracers are dangerous and can not be seen. Been riding ultra lows 7 years on streets and highways with traffic and never mowed down by any vehicle who can supposedly "not see me".

It was a fun day riding an ultra low and passing every highracer in sight including numerous pacelines with matching outfits, tri riders on aerobars, Rans and GRRs with bubble fairings and some tandems. No flag needed to screw up aerodynamics when passing countless slow moving objects on 2 wheels
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Old 06-01-08, 11:07 PM   #35
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nice. what were you riding?^
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Old 06-02-08, 06:37 AM   #36
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Gee, I wonder what bike a NoCom Rider would ride?
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Old 06-02-08, 06:40 AM   #37
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It was a fun day riding an ultra low and passing every highracer in sight including numerous pacelines with matching outfits, tri riders on aerobars, Rans and GRRs with bubble fairings and some tandems. No flag needed to screw up aerodynamics when passing countless slow moving objects on 2 wheels
I did the same thing yesterday except that I went South towards St. Louis to ride. Had a nice leisurely Sunday solo 50 miles and never got run over or passed. Passed everything else, though.

for Grail29er: I was riding a VK2
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Old 06-02-08, 10:10 AM   #38
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Never use a flag and never will. It looks stupid and I don't think it works unless you use it to hang a blinkie from - though that's just my opinion. I find a blinkie on the back of my helmet works great though.
I have wondered about this exact issue. Reports I get from the road is that if I'm on my trike in daylight, a flag improves my visibility significantly more than my NR universal taillight (easily visible in broad daylight from a distance and probably the best taillight out there aside from the Dinotte) aimed at drivers' eyes. This is not what I wanted to hear, but that's what reports are consistently telling me.

Road reports have led me to conclude that even bright taillights do not help much except in low light or darkness. Utility of flags also depends on riding and traffic conditions.
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Old 06-02-08, 12:17 PM   #39
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i know nothing about bents, can you all educate me about the fastest, most elite brands and models?
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Old 06-05-08, 10:26 AM   #40
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Out of curiosity, do any of you on this forum actually race on a recumbent? I race in a few time trials on my Challenge Fujin SL II and I have never seen another bent? I probably look way out of place among all of the high bling TT bikes but I don't care much, I just ride my own race.

So anybody else race? Time trials or other competition?
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I've done a couple of races, although I don't consider myself a racer. A few HPRA events and one 100-mile road race. Above-average finishes, but nothing special.
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I've done a 100 mile UMCA event on a Baron. I got 1st in the Mens, 100 Mile, 50+, Recumbent category.

I think there were 2-3 of us.

Seriously, I'm considering doing some racing. I raced for 9 years in the '80s. Of course, I'm a little older, now.

The biggest problem that I have is that I don't want to travel 3 hours one way for 20-30 miles worth of racing. I'd rather stay home and ride with my peeps to breakfast.

Besides BP, Aikigreg and NoCom Racer from this thread race, also.

Lastly, some of the Chicago guys race regularly. They're not too shabby either considering one of them has a couple world records on a bent.
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I race everything I can conceiveably get to that allow me in. I briefly held some records at the texas time trials in the 500 mile race, have have raced bunches of HPVA stuff as well as calvin's. I hold a few gold medals from the times I was allowed to do local TTs.
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I've done a 100 mile UMCA event on a Baron. I got 1st in the Mens, 100 Mile, 50+, Recumbent category.

Seriously, I'm considering doing some racing. I raced for 9 years in the '80s. Of course, I'm a little older, now.

Hey Bubba,
I'm in your age group. Lets make plans for the Metamora Gravel & Road Rash 100 mile race this August. Get some kevlar shorts to go with your lowboy jersey You will need 'em at Metamora.
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Hey Bubba,
I'm in your age group. Lets make plans for the Metamora Gravel & Road Rash 100 mile race this August. Get some kevlar shorts to go with your lowboy jersey You will need 'em at Metamora.
I was just up there last Saturday riding around. The chip seal didn't look too bad after having been plowed all Winter, but they have all Summer to put down some more.

I think the Metamora thing is the same weekend as the Hostel Shoppe Rally which I'm going to. (Pheww! Dodged another bullet!) I might change my mind and stay here. You never know.
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Thanks mates for the replies. I will have to check into some of the HPRA events, never been around those. I have never heard of any around here (Colorado). It would be great to see some more bent racing in this area. So far the ACA sponsored Boulder time trials have let race. (Although one race official let me know that my bike was illegal)
The Metamora race sounds interesting, but with $4 per gallon petrol, I don't think I will go.
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So far the ACA sponsored Boulder time trials have let race. (Although one race official let me know that my bike was illegal)
The ACA apparently uses the OLD USCF rules, which require a bike to be less than 2 meters long and 29.5 inches wide. Lightning Bikes sells (sold?) a shortened version of the M-5 lowracer which fit the rules, but after Tim Brummer cleaned up at a few races, they changed the rules. Now the USCF rules state that recumbents cannot be raced unless a separate recumbent class is provided for them. Since none of the organizers ever wanted recumbents around anyway, the easy way to "lock us out" is to not provide the recumbent class.

There are other race-capable recumbents which fit within the old USCF definition, too. However, if you got one and actually won something, all they'd have to do is adopt the current USCF rules to disallow you again. Bottom line is, your best bets for racing opportunities is to find some organizers that'll let you in anyway (but don't have the temerity to win!) or find some sympathetic independent organizers. I don't think there's much HPRA presence in the mountain states, so you could possibly become an organizer, too.
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Why do people race bents? What's the point?
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^^why do people race at all, whats the point?

---because they can... just like sailboats and other one design sports, lots of different models to put head to head.
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Why do people race bents? What's the point?
I could ask the same question about people racing on upright bikes, and the answers would be the same.
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