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CraftGeek 09-02-08 11:59 AM

Strap on pedal cleats?
 
Howdy Folks,

I am just about to buy a recumbent trike and have heard many dire warnings about the need of clipless pedals and cleats.

I have wide feet and have had a hard time finding bike shoes that are comfortable and on and off the bike.

I had an idea I want to get a reality check on if you don't mind.

Couldn't I cut a metal plate to the shape of my regular walking shoe, bolt cleats to it and rig quick release straps to it so I can strap the cleat to regular shoes?

If you are having a hard time picturing this, think of ice crampons with an SPD cleat instead of spikes.

Using a metal plate the full length of the shoe should give me the stability to twist in and out of the pedal and mimic the stiffness of a road shoe. I hear that road shoes are stiff to deliver extra power to the pedal, but I could be wrong.


Well, What do you think? Will it work? Has it been done? Can I save myself the time and buy this somewhere?

Sean

CraigVM62 09-02-08 02:08 PM

possible
 
There have been countless times I thought something was impossible, yet those much more creative than I have had success with.
I also have very wide feet. I had trouble finding any road shoes that fit well, but much better success with those designed for touring or mountain biking. They also allow for easier walking when out of the pedals, speaking of the SPD design anyway. I don't have experience with the others. I have been tempted to go try on some of the Sandals to see if they accommodate wide feet well

http://www.performancebike.com/produ...-BKY-ANGLE.jpg

Have you tried PowerGrips yet.

http://www.nashbar.com/nashbar_photo...P-PG-K-TOP.jpg

BlazingPedals 09-02-08 02:14 PM

Why is it that we never hear of upright riders with EEEEEEEE feet? Does this trait go with beards and aerobellies as a requirement for recumbents? Inquiring minds want to know! :)

But I second the Power Grips.

JanMM 09-02-08 02:33 PM

Try the steel plate with cleats attached to it and strapped to the shoes. Give it a go and report back. With pictures.

CraftGeek 09-02-08 04:50 PM

Thanks All!

I've used Power Grips on an upright bike and like them a lot but wanted something even more secure. I'm told that on a trike, if your foot is bumped off a pedal at speed your leg could get sucked under, resulting in multiple fractures. :eek:

I have but one more question before I'm off to the hardware store:
In a normal mountain bike shoe that has SPD cleats, the cleats are recessed somewhat into the sole of the shoe. Is this necessary? does the surrounding tread contact the pedal and therefor provide stabilization? If there were no rubber at all around the cleat would it wobble? Or, put another way, Does the sole of the shoe around the cleat provide any support when the cleat is locked into the pedal?

I don't plan on ever walking on the strap on cleat. I just want to strap it on to my street shoes when I take a short ride to the store.

madhouse 09-02-08 06:55 PM

Maybe you can convert an old set of roller skates... Just don't forget your skate key so you can take them off when you get to your destination! :)

Myqul 09-03-08 03:21 AM

I dont have particularly wide feet but have heard that sidi dominator mega (i think thats what there called) are cycling shoes for especially wide feet. If you do a search there's many threads/posts about wide feet

BlazingPedals 09-03-08 05:45 AM

SPD are most commonly used with touring or mountain bike shoes, where the cleat is recessed for reasons of walkability. But on road-type shoes the cleat is just hanging out there. Tread on the shoes is not necessary to use the pedals.

Jeff Wills 09-03-08 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CraftGeek (Post 7388111)
Couldn't I cut a metal plate to the shape of my regular walking shoe, bolt cleats to it and rig quick release straps to it so I can strap the cleat to regular shoes?

If you are having a hard time picturing this, think of ice crampons with an SPD cleat instead of spikes.
<snip>
Well, What do you think? Will it work? Has it been done? Can I save myself the time and buy this somewhere?

Sean

Kind of like these?
http://harriscyclery.net/page.cfm?Pa...ils&sku=PD1126

The problem with these is you're still not 100% positively attached to the pedal. Your shoe can still slide out the back unless the strap is very tight, at which point your toes will go numb from lack of circulation.

I've seen pedals with slings that support your shoe, but I can't point you at anything right now.

CraftGeek 09-05-08 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Wills (Post 7397452)
Kind of like these?
http://harriscyclery.net/page.cfm?Pa...ils&sku=PD1126

The problem with these is you're still not 100% positively attached to the pedal. Your shoe can still slide out the back unless the strap is very tight, at which point your toes will go numb from lack of circulation.

I've seen pedals with slings that support your shoe, but I can't point you at anything right now.

Yes. Just like those.

I had just reached the same conclusions today re the need to tighten the straps to the point of discomfort. Then you would pass the point of diminishing returns. So, i've abandoned the project.

Some good did come of it though...

I found some MTB shoes that are relatively cheap, wide enough for my feet and comfortable enough to walk a mile. they are the Tahoe MTB Shoe from Specialized.. My LBS offered 15% off tha sale if shoes and pedals were bought together. I just happened to need both.

Thank you all for the help while I worked my way through this.

Sean

JanMM 09-05-08 06:55 AM

Nice looking shoes.

cavit8 09-20-08 09:14 PM

http://www.phred.org/~josh/bike/boots.html

jeffh129 09-20-08 09:28 PM

Get a pair of these pedals

http://www.pricepoint.com/detail.htm?stylePkey=14397

Crank Brothers 50/50

They have pins on them, which stick up. Use these and shoes with threads on the sole, and that's all you'll need. You don't have to go clipless.

CraftGeek 09-21-08 08:25 PM

Course leg suck would still be an issue...

jeffh129 09-22-08 08:26 AM

No...leg suck will NOT be an issue with that setup. It's almost as if your shoes are glued to the pedal. Many people have converted to this method of foot retention. Works just great.

CraigVM62 09-23-08 12:36 AM

Hmmmm
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffh129 (Post 7517597)
No...leg suck will NOT be an issue with that setup. It's almost as if your shoes are glued to the pedal. Many people have converted to this method of foot retention. Works just great.

Still looks like they are based on friction for shoes to not slide off of pedal. No doubt would work while your pushing against the pedal, but what about when on the return stroke ?? I can't see them allowing you to utilize the extra energy from your return stroke. Power Grips and Clip in systems allow you to completely relax your legs without worry. Remember, we are talking about using them on a recumbent trike where your not above the pedals.

Crast 09-23-08 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlazingPedals (Post 7389040)
Why is it that we never hear of upright riders with EEEEEEEE feet? Does this trait go with beards and aerobellies as a requirement for recumbents? Inquiring minds want to know! :)

They exist. Or maybe I'm just waiting to try a 'bent and I'll switch and never go back. I've got wide / big feet (size 46, and pretty damn wide.) I've got an old pair of cannondale MTB shoes that I simply can't replace, because I haven't really found much at any of the LBS's since that fits me nice. All my bikes have the logo / brand name on the cranks worn off within days of getting them, and sometimes even on the chainstays there are wear marks from my shoes too, such is just a fact of life.


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