Sun's new Razor - Cruzbike killer
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The Cruzbike adjusts differently: the Sun looks like just the seat adjusts.
The Sun looks like it has no suspension: Cruzbikes have both front and rear suspension.
The Sun is a front-wheel drive recumbent, true, but I really don't think it's a
"Cruzbike killer."
Without the suspension and the adjustable TFT, the Sun may well be lighter and more inexpensive....
The Sun looks like it has no suspension: Cruzbikes have both front and rear suspension.
The Sun is a front-wheel drive recumbent, true, but I really don't think it's a
"Cruzbike killer."
Without the suspension and the adjustable TFT, the Sun may well be lighter and more inexpensive....
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We're talking about a Sun here; "lighter" is not in their vocabulary.
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My back likes suspended single-track vehicles, so that, by default, is my preference.
I'm not a 'bent connoisseur, in fact I'm completely ignorant of the relative merits of the
various brands.
Front-wheel drive just appeals to me, as an elegant way to power a recumbent bicycle
(aren't the fully enclosed speed-record holders front-wheel drive?)
and the recumbent seat is the only type of bicycle seat that I can tolerate.
My Sofrider is relatively heavy, but It's well-built, is holding up very well
and I find it extremely comfortable.
So, BlazingPedals, I assume by your comment that you mean to say that Sun
manufactures heavy bicycles?!
Anyway, the Sun Razor looks like fun... clunky, but fun.
I'd love to test ride it.
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https://www.ohpv.org/albums/bm2004/va...s/varnas21.htm ,
while the Razor/Cruzbike use moving bottom-bracket style FWD similar to the Flevo design.
There's upsides and downsides to both these designs (as well as rear wheel drive).
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Sun bikes are, shall we say, "overbuilt." That can be a Good Thing if you're a member of the 300lb club, but a bad thing if you're not. I don't know about the Cruz-clone yet, but I suspect it weighs more than the originals. I will say, it looks nice.
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Am I seeing Ape Hangars on that bike??
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Not too bad looking. My immediate comment would be no suspension = bad thing. With FWD, you really want to keep that front tire sticking to the road and suspension plays a big part in that. I'm sure that bike works just fine in most conditions, but I wouldn't be wanting to sprint up a hill with expansion cracks on a rigid FWD.
Interesting that they took the approach of fixing the front end and making the seat movable. I like that, I think. Fewer clamps and what not that add up to extra weight.
It doesn't look too bad, but I'd be reluctant to call it a CB killer.
Mark
Interesting that they took the approach of fixing the front end and making the seat movable. I like that, I think. Fewer clamps and what not that add up to extra weight.
It doesn't look too bad, but I'd be reluctant to call it a CB killer.
Mark
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Dang! Now I might have to buy yet ANOTHER bike! As owner & rider of a half-dozen 'bents already, including a Cruzbike FWD conversion that is a total BLAST to ride, I want to try one of these SUN Razors out. Unfortunately the only bike shop here in Hawaii that sells 'bents won't stock one of these; too unusual. They wouldn't even stock a SUN Tomahawk, so I special-ordered one to try (nice, fast, but not perfect). I know they won't stock a FWD. The MBB-FWD design is not for everyone, but once mastered it is totally fun to ride!
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I ride a raptobike, a twist-chain FWD lowracer. It isn't the MBB FWD style pictured above. My bike doesn't have suspension and I have had zero problems with wheel slip. Not uphill, not in the rain, not on gravel, not uphill in the rain.
Obviously I can't say anything about the Sun Razor. A MBB FWD design preforms quite differently than a twist-chain FWD.
Obviously I can't say anything about the Sun Razor. A MBB FWD design preforms quite differently than a twist-chain FWD.
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It's been over eight months since those first pics were posted, and I haven't heard any more about it. Did Sun quietly drop the concept?
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Ha, I didn't notice how old the thread was.
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Jeff Wills,
The link you posted is broken. I'm disappointed, as I was hoping to learn more about FWD. The Cruzbike Silvio is a good-looking bike, judging from an online video of it I viewed. Haven't seen it up close and personal, I should add.
I'm intrigued as to the "twist-chain style" vs. the "bottom-bracket style" FWD techniques. Which do you think is better for the recreational biker? Or is it more a "six-of-one vs. half dozen of the other" type thing?
The link you posted is broken. I'm disappointed, as I was hoping to learn more about FWD. The Cruzbike Silvio is a good-looking bike, judging from an online video of it I viewed. Haven't seen it up close and personal, I should add.
I'm intrigued as to the "twist-chain style" vs. the "bottom-bracket style" FWD techniques. Which do you think is better for the recreational biker? Or is it more a "six-of-one vs. half dozen of the other" type thing?
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I contacted SUN Bicycles about this bike. Their reply:
<< Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:20 AM
From: <gary@jbimporters.com>
The bike from the forum you sent was a proto-type that never went into production. A bit too unsafe. At this point we do not have anything like it in the works.
Thank You >>
So there you have it. Not available. Too bad, I probably would'a bought one. Cruzbike remains the only MBB-FWD on the market AFAIK
I want a Raptobike "Mid-Racer", too, once it's in production. Wonder if a USA distributor will appear? May just have to build my own twist-chain FWD.
<< Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:20 AM
From: <gary@jbimporters.com>
The bike from the forum you sent was a proto-type that never went into production. A bit too unsafe. At this point we do not have anything like it in the works.
Thank You >>
So there you have it. Not available. Too bad, I probably would'a bought one. Cruzbike remains the only MBB-FWD on the market AFAIK
I want a Raptobike "Mid-Racer", too, once it's in production. Wonder if a USA distributor will appear? May just have to build my own twist-chain FWD.