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Old 03-24-09, 09:37 PM   #1
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The dog walkers DEATH stare.

I ride the bike path every day. Rules are, keep to the right, pass on the left. There are several people that insist on using the entire width of the path walking several dogs, each dog off in all directions across the path. When they see me comming I get the DEATH stare. They even refuse to speak. If I say HI, this one guy snarls at me. They act like I am the problem. I have to come to a stop while they pull in all the dogs so I can pass. The dog walkers seem to think they have the right to the entire path and bikers don't belong there at all. There must be a way to put a stop it this crap.
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Old 03-24-09, 10:02 PM   #2
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There is; ride in the street with the adults
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Get a bunch of buddies (maybe 20 or so) and go on the bike path, and see if the dog walker still wants to give you a dirty look
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There is; ride in the street with the adults
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You should expect this kind of sh...tuff on MUPs.
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I give dogs the right of way.

When I encounter people walking their dogs, I just pull off to the side and ride around them.
Cars should give the right of way to bicycles and pedestrians.
Bicycles should give the right of way to pedestrians (dogs included)
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There must be a way to put a stop it this crap.
There is. Make sure you have the number for animal control on your cell phone. Take a picture, then make a call. Believe it or not, a lot of cities have ordinances limiting the number of dogs that can be walked at one time, precisely because of what you're describing.
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End Flexilead abuse! Or just end them completely.

Even one dog on a flexilead or long leash can tie up a whole path. I know one town is enforcing the 6ft or shorter leash only in parks where most of the bike paths are around here. Still I always try and stop when there is a walking down or slow down if the walker is yielding and heeled their dog.

I call an animal control officer at least 10 times a day! She happens to be my wife but that means I have them on speed dial
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I don't want an ordinance against horns on mups.. they'll probably throw bells in there with em.
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With normal dog walkers it is easy. I stop and pet the dogs if they say it is OK, I establish a rapport with them and them make a suggestion. I don't assume bikes have the right of way because it is a MUP , not a freeway. When I want to go fast, I use the road. MUPs are basically linear parks. Professional dog walkers here are rare and we are a small town so it doesn't happen that often and rarely lots of dogs.
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I remember seeing a helicopter one time, that had this blade thingy up along the front dome, with a vee-shaped cutter at top. Idea being, I suppose, that if you ran into a wire, you had some hope of coming out of it in once piece. Maybe something like that would work on a recumbent, where you could just race through the pack, cutting a few dogs loose.
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MUP hatred annoys me. I use the Burke Gilman trail as part of my commute and my work/training route wouldn't be possible without it.

The problem sounds like a particular person or organization. Simply stop, use your camera phone to snap pictures of the chaos, and report it. Do it every time and keep all the images together and submit then entire bunch with each subsequent report.
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My 2-cents...if you are out for a relaxing ride, or exercize, ya can put up with some stuff cause where's the hurry... if you are going someplace maybe the streets are the faster way....if not, ie, the mup is the fast route then you have some suggestions as to how to 'civily' make friends with this guy or help his understand the rights of others on the mup.
Keep on keepin on
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Power right thru them - they go into shock when you are between them and their dog...... The next time, they will have better control.

(Honest, I never saw that dog on the wrong side of the trail!!!!!)
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^^^^^ that
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hate to be a kill joy, but i'm pretty sure the ped gets the right of way. So any legal action you try to bring will just end in costing you money. Sometimes ya just gotta give a little bit, sorry. On the bright side you could just find a way to avoid that area all together.
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hate to be a kill joy, but i'm pretty sure the ped gets the right of way. So any legal action you try to bring will just end in costing you money. Sometimes ya just gotta give a little bit, sorry. On the bright side you could just find a way to avoid that area all together.
All the MUP rules specify maximum leash length and control of your dogs. Additionally right of way doesn't mean you just wander around blindly.
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MUP hatred annoys me. I use the Burke Gilman trail as part of my commute and my work/training route wouldn't be possible without it.

The problem sounds like a particular person or organization. Simply stop, use your camera phone to snap pictures of the chaos, and report it. Do it every time and keep all the images together and submit then entire bunch with each subsequent report.

I agree on the MUP hatred. For some reason I think folks see the initials MUP and feel compelled to say..stay off the MUPs blah, blah, blah. It's nothing more than a forum cliche at this point that gets a knee-jerk reaction every time.

Part of my commute is on a rail trail too and I get the dog walkers breaking the 6 foot leash rule too. I figure the more times they see me and have to move over the more they will get used to it. A lot of the middle of the trail obliviots are fairly new users.
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Power right thru them - they go into shock when you are between them and their dog...... The next time, they will have better control.
Isn't this the same attitude that aggressive cars have toward bicycles?
If we use this logic, shouldn't cars just run bicycles off the road?
That would teach us bicyclists a lesson.
How dare we bicyclists use up space on the road.
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If you power through them and have a collision,
think of the physical harm you could do to both people and dogs.
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Well, not on a MUP and not on a recumbent, but I can sympathize with you.

There's one lady I occasionally meet (say, once a month or so) who walks two little dogs on a pair of retractable leashes. I don't know what she does when a car comes along, but she is incapable of controlling the dogs when I come along. They will run literally all the way across the road, pushing me into the shoulder opposite the shoulder where the lady is walking.

It's really quite annoying. I don't want to run the little buggers over, and I don't want them (or me!) to get hit by a car.

I don't think she's given me a death stare, but I know the last few times I've given HER one.

I've thought about stopping and standing there some day, with her on one side of the road and her dogs on the other side, and just waiting for a car to come along. It'd be interesting to see what she does.
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I agree on the MUP hatred. For some reason I think folks see the initials MUP and feel compelled to say..stay off the MUPs blah, blah, blah. It's nothing more than a forum cliche at this point that gets a knee-jerk reaction every time.
MUPS are fine, as long as you recognize them for what they are: parks. They are not bike paths or transportation corridors, and they are not places where you should expect to make a good average speed. Most MUPs have speed limits of 10 to 15 mph because faster speeds become unsafe for the peds. Heirarchy on a path is: horses, then peds, then bicycles. (Depending on where your MUP is, you may never see a horse on it; but if you ever do, it has the unquestioned right of way.) Pedestrians have no 'rules of the road' because they're not road users; and they always have the right of way over bikes. Period, end of story. On a MUP, you should *expect* to stop for pedestrians who are acting like pedestrians. If you can't abide by that, then ride elsewhere. Thus my +1 to the comment of "ride in the street."
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Hmm - one thing came to mind - okay a couple...

1) Store a package of hot dogs while riding - after passing or see them coming...stop - throw the package of dogs out to the side of the trail so that way the dogs will stop and eat when they get there - distracting the dogs and making the "walker" wait for the dogs or get upset about them eating something they shouldn't be eating.
2) Just ride in the street...

I'm working on training for the BRAN and I'm using a trails currently until I get up more mileage and the weather gets warmer. Honestly, I don't like the MUPS when the weather is warm. Walkers walking abreast so they can see each other and talk, heaven forbid they would move over when someone yells 3 times "On your left". People with dogs with leashes 75 feet long so they can let their dog roam the country side. Other bikers that are riding abreast cause they want to talk to whom they are riding with. People walking on the wrong side...

Once the warm weather comes, I'm done riding the MUPs except for the one I commute to work on and it's so short and isn't a main one, so it's not that busy.
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Power right thru them - they go into shock when you are between them and their dog...... The next time, they will have better control.

(Honest, I never saw that dog on the wrong side of the trail!!!!!)
I Had an experience recently where I stopped on a trail because a lady was walking, on the phone and her dog was all over the place. She looked at me for a few seconds then just passed me on the left while her dog passed me on the right and she barely made sure the leash didn't hit me on the head.
I do have a bell and airzounds but she saw me she just didn't care.
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Watching Catrike videos on uTube last night. The two guys are coming down from the lake outside of Folsom, CA. There is a blind corner towards the end of the video. They come around the corner and almost into another cyclist. The guy filming says that he came around that corner once and there was a family having a picnic. In the middle of the trail. On a blanket. Mom, kids, grandparents, dog, all spread out across the trail...lol
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I remember seeing a helicopter one time, that had this blade thingy up along the front dome, with a vee-shaped cutter at top. Idea being, I suppose, that if you ran into a wire, you had some hope of coming out of it in once piece. Maybe something like that would work on a recumbent, where you could just race through the pack, cutting a few dogs loose.
StephenH, That is called a Wire Strike Protection System (WSPS). It works well for powerlines if the aircraft is moving quickly, but is mounted very securely to the airframe and has a long abrasive rail that is part of the helicopter's canopy so the wire is worn down on its slide up the windshield into the cutter. You might have to mount a windscreen to your recumbent and figure out how to mount a bandsaw blade to the center of it as well as a pair of razorblades (in a sideways "V" (>)) at the top of the windscreen to give the final cut of the leashes. Not sure if it would be practical, legal or safe.
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