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    Looking for my 1st 'bent

    Hello,

    I'm currently looking for my 1st 'bent. I used to ride a wedgie
    until about a year ago (tailbone injury). The bending over posture
    kills my lower back. That's what got me interested in 'bents (I'm
    DYING to ride again). I need a fast, durable bike (USS and SWB, if
    possible) in the $1500 or less price range ($2000 is acceptable but
    I'll steer clear if possible and logical). I need the bike to get
    to work (9 miles away) every day, as well as for leisure. I want a
    bike that's as fast as possible. It does NOT have to be very good
    at climbing hills (I live in south Florida). Any suggestions would
    be much appreciated.

    Thx

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    David,

    I ride an EZ Sport Ltd and love it. Depending on options, etc priced about $1,200. It's mid length, a little on the heavy side weight wise but a great bike to learn on. I've put about 1,000 miles with no problems.
    "Angel, Bop Bop loves you!!!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidaw1204
    I need a fast, durable bike (USS and SWB, if
    possible) in the $1500 or less price range ($2000 is acceptable but
    I'll steer clear if possible and logical). I need the bike to get
    to work (9 miles away) every day, as well as for leisure. I want a
    bike that's as fast as possible. It does NOT have to be very good
    at climbing hills (I live in south Florida). Any suggestions would
    be much appreciated.
    Thx
    Hi David,

    'Sounds like you've done a little research and have determined that you'd prefer a SWB with USS. RBR, a recumbent shop that also sells online, is selling their Challenge Mistral for $1849. It's a beautiful, fast, USS SWB that may just be the ticket! There are members here(and at BROL) who own Challenge 'bents and love them.

    Here's the link to RBR's webpage on their Mistral--it looks like it comes in both USS and ASS.

    RBR/Challenge Mistral

    Here's a thumbnail pic of the Mistral(click on it to see a bigger version)...'hope this may be of help....
    ***Geoff***
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    The optima baron would be a faster bike than the mistral. The wheelbase is only a tad longer, but at the same time, more stable at higher speeds. I've got over 8000 miles on a baron now. Overseat steer is faster than under seat steer due to the arm position and wind resistance. The baron is also very comfortable and wouldn't even put your tailbone on the seat.


    http://groups.msn.com/BicyclingForum...o&PhotoID=1763

    http://groups.msn.com/BicyclingForum...o&PhotoID=9349

    http://groups.msn.com/BicyclingForum...o&PhotoID=9348

    http://www.biketcba.org/TRICORR/members/cevans.html

    http://www.biketcba.org/TRICORR/members/jfoltz.html

    http://www.biketcba.org/TRICORR/members/donsmith.html

    This is a ride report from the Bike ride around Tennessee. Some pics of the lowracers here plus a lot of info on how they handle the flats and hills.
    http://www.biketcba.org/TRICORR/ride.../brat2004.html

    Not that you have hills in Florida or anything, but here is a report from this years hilly hundred with pics.

    http://www.biketcba.org/TRICORR/ride...04/report.html

    I'm sorry that you requested short wheelbase and underseat steer. This is not the answer if you are also looking for as fast a stock bent as possible.

    Here is one more link to Jims website. He also lives in Florida. Lots of good info here on the lowracers.

    http://www.jjscozzi.com/
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    Hi lowracer1,

    I'm no expert on lowracers by any stretch of the imagination; I've never even ridden on one! What teensy bits of information that I have is just based on what I've read online here, at BROL, and in print mags like RCN and RTR. I find the info that real lowracers like yourself provide great 'bent education.

    I only suggested the Challenge Mistral because of stuff I read, and because David had mentioned in his post that he was hoping to find a fast 'bent that was a uss swb, and preferably in the $1500 range with his "cap" threshold at $2000.

    Perhaps if he'd be willing to go with above seat steering and raise his "cap" to around $2500, the Baron could be the perfect bike for him! Optimal , in fact!(Uggh...I can't believe I just typed that...)

    C'mon, David!
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    I also like the Mistral. The seat has a wide range of adjustment -- very upright to very reclined. Upright adjustment feels more allert when riding on public roads and it allows more comfort in looking around. Reclined adjustment will help against wind on longer rides. Plus, that nice suspension will keep your tailbone from getting jarred:=)

    If I were looking for a new bike right now, I'd seriously consider the Mistral.

    NR

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    One drawback to the mistral however is the weight. 33 lbs barebones.

    Another drawback is that of the chainline management. Very inefficient due to the not one buy two very long chaintubes. This bike doesn't use an intermediary idler. The chain on these style management systems can be very difficult to keep clean. The crud tends to stay in the chaintube and keep ending up on the chain even after the chain is totally cleaned. The chaintubes provide too much resistance which adds to pedaling resistance.

    You also have to deal with a large chainring which tend to be a bit more expensive when coming time to replace it. This is due to the small wheel in back.

    Front derailleurs are also tough to find if it needs to be replaced because of the very large chainring.

    a plus however is that you have 2 tires the same size. carry 1 tube instead of a 20" and 26" if you don't carry patch kits.

    I've started to carry tubes now. I had a 20" tube split down a good 3 inches once........no patching that.

    Barons can be found for less than 2500 bucks. I know a guy right now who has a brand new one for sale, for around 1800 bucks. He has too many bikes.

    The tiller on a baron is also a good place to put a water bottle with a drink tube. This is easier if he is only commuting 9 miles. Otherwise its the hydration pack which will work on either bike.

    If he gets the itch to go faster, a tailbox is always an option also on the baron. not much would fit the mistral due to the rear shock. They also use a cheap coil over oil shock which needs to be rebuilt every couple years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowracer1
    Barons can be found for less than 2500 bucks. I know a guy right now who has a brand new one for sale, for around 1800 bucks.
    Here you go, David! Chris("lowracer1") knows a 'bent rider who's got a new Optima Baron for sale for
    under $2,000, your "cap"! Most dealers are selling them for around $2,500 new....

    And thanks for all of the great info, Chris! "Lowracer 101"--good stuff to learn!

    ***Geoff***
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    Before you buy, try several bents both cheap and expensive. I tried about 20 before I bought and am glad I did. The variation in the feel of bents is far greater than for other types of bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowracer1
    Another drawback is that of the chainline management. Very inefficient due to the not one buy two very long chaintubes. This bike doesn't use an intermediary idler. The chain on these style management systems can be very difficult to keep clean.
    I live in Europe and most bents here are equipped with chaintubes (of course, they also come standard with fenders, lights and luggage racks). The tubes keep clothing clean while commuting. The price for me is that I have to remove the chain and clean the tubes once per year ~ it's either the tubes or the pants. The chainline is straight, so I don't notice any decrease in power. I think they are a good solution for 'non-racing' commuters.

    Quote Originally Posted by lowracer1
    You also have to deal with a large chainring which tend to be a bit more expensive when coming time to replace it. This is due to the small wheel in back.
    I also have a 26/20 configuration, which I like. Sometimes I wish for a space-saving 20/20, but I guess I'd have to own one to really know the difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by lowracer1
    They also use a cheap coil over oil shock which needs to be rebuilt every couple years.
    I suppose that after a few more years of riding, I'll have to fork-out $35 for a new cheap-o shock. I can't live without suspension. I guess I'm spoiled:=)

    Quote Originally Posted by lowracer1
    If he gets the itch to go faster, a tailbox is always an option also on the baron. not much would fit the mistral due to the rear shock.
    I rode a Baron on bike paths in Holland, with NO AUTOMOBILE TRAFFIC. No doubt, it is a fast and popular bent, but I couldn't imagine commuting on one in the states -- especially considering its height, which puts the rider at about eye-level with the hubcaps of most SUVs:=)

    For commuting and all-around road riding, wouldn't something like a (much taller) Rans Vivo be the ticket? I know they won't be produced in 2005, but David could perhaps get one used for very little cost.

    NR

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    Quote Originally Posted by NazcaRider
    For commuting and all-around road riding, wouldn't something like a (much taller) Rans Vivo be the ticket? I know they won't be produced in 2005, but David could perhaps get one used for very little cost.
    NR
    Hi NazcaRider,

    The Vivo would be a great candidate, if it wasn't for the fact that David had mentioned that he determined that he wanted a fast swb with uss. But you raised a good point about the concerns of a lowracer's height(or lack of it) in the thick of rush hour car commute traffic. It made me think about another nice 'bent that's no longer being made, that might be an even better "fit" for David's specifications...and, like the Vivo, he might be able to snag one on the secondary markets, like eBay, or one of the many 'bent classifieds. I can't quite remember the exact model name/number of the bike, but it's made by Vision(I know, out of biz)....is it the VR-40? And, if David wants suspension, then is it the VR-45? Help, anyone???

    I've never ridden one, but I do remember quite a few very happy owners posting about their Visions, their under-seat steering, and that "magic carpet" ride experience that only uss 'bents can give. I've also heard some great things about the LongBike's Eliminator, and the HP Velo Street Machine, both swb uss...but both also cost more than the $2000 spending "cap" that David's imposed on himself....
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    True, he did in fact specify USS. But you don't think the Vivo would be as fast as a Vision? I've never ridden either one, but based on their pictures, they both seem to have similar ergonomics -- seating angle and height, bb height, hip angle, etc. The Vision's USS is a nice advantage in any case, so I'll second your choice


    StreetMachine, Eliminator -- you've just touched upon my imaginary dream bike...

    I've ridden the SM for plenty of miles and it's probably one of the best engineered bikes around, but IMHO it would benefit from a longer wheelbase, indirect steering, and a slightly higher seat angle for climbing hills. So, picture an Eliminator with a SM-type rear suspension and also include lowriders for under-seat panniers. I'd sell my girlfriend for that one!

    NR

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    Quote Originally Posted by NazcaRider
    True, he did in fact specify USS. But you don't think the Vivo would be as fast as a Vision?
    NR
    Hi NR,

    I've not ridden any of the Vision models, so I can't make any comments on their ride qualities, other than that based on what I've read. I did test ride a Vivo, a couple of years back when I was in the market for a swb. I test rode a V-Rex, a Burley Django, and a bright yellow Vivo. I ended up getting the Django, but I recall my test ride with the Vivo. It was very stable and very cushy-comfortable(thanks to its full suspension, the wonderful RANS seat, and its wide tires)...and it felt slow ...quite a bit slower than the V-Rex and the Django. I think part of it was due to its slightly heavier weight(suspension hardware), and a more significant part of it was due to its wide Maxxis Hookworm tires. Remember that the Vivo was intended for some off-road duty...that's why RANS outfitted it with full suspension and wide(either 1.9" or 2.0"--can't remember), bulletproof, incredibly durable Hookworms....great tires for riding on rougher road conditions...not the best tires for speed.

    David could get a Vivo and put narrower, high pressure performance tires, like Stelvios on it, and get a subsequently faster ride...but if he doesn't really need suspension(I don't remember if he mentioned a need for suspension), he'd probably be better off getting a used or new Rocket--lighter and already rigged with faster tires....just my two bits....

    I know what you mean about the Eliminator and the SM...awesome bikes ...and if Longbikes ever decided to offer suspension on the Eliminator....NR, you would have your dream bike...but just memories of your girl...

    ***Geoff***
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    Hello again,

    Unfortunately, in the midst of my quest to purchase my 1st 'bent, some "uncontrollable financial circumstances" have come up, requiring me to lower my max price to $1200 *sob*....I guess i may wait until I become more financially stable.

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    Yo David,

    You should try a rotator the guy builds everything to exacting standards all hand built. here's a link his name is steve. Tell him brian sent you. I reccomend a pursuit it is very fast and handles very well at speed. It's slightly challenging at very low speeds for the first couple of times but once you aclimate to it, it is an exellent bike. There are even optional inexpensive aero dynamic body kits available if you buy the one with the smaller wheels. I currently own a rotator unfared race bike and a fully fared rotator built streamliner. I am currently in the process of building a fully streamlined all carbonfiber/kevlar Varna clone land speed bike that will utilize a rotator subframe. you can purchase one with a level one parts groupo for about $1750. I don't really care for the mistral myselfdue to the fact that it has a suspension on it. The suspension is quite power robbing and unecessary. A well built recumbent is comfortable due to it's frame construction. The baron on the other hand is a matter of what you are using the bike for. If you are running a baron remmember you will not easily look over your shoulder when you cross the street making a left turn(or a right in europe). The top of your head will also be at windowsill level when in traffic. If you intend to race at all the baron is a fierce competitor and should always be taken seriously at the track. The body position of the baron is at the high end of the scale for unfared recumbants aerodynamicaly. My rotator race bike is the only bike I know of that is more layed out than the baron. The Rotator pursuit is a pretty layed out bike as well. it sits just upright enough to allow a good over the shoulder glance. It is high enough off the ground to allow cars to see you well. Very fast and is in regular competition with the Baron at local tracks in my area. Very stable at any speed over 3 mph. under 3 mph requires a couple of rides to aclimate then it's no problem at all. This bike is an excellent comuter that can go to a track and be competitive on weekends.

    http://rotatorrecumbent.com/ordering.html
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