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Old 04-16-12, 11:30 AM   #1
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Dogs, what do you do?

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I ride a Trident ST2 trike with my head only about 3ft above the road. For the first time I have started to think about dogs chasing me. We'll after years and thousands of miles one finally did. Luckily I was carrying a small anti-dog pepper spray and the dog seemed to know what it was and backed down as soon as my straight arm was pointing at it. Although it was hard pointing back and riding so there was a slow speed standoff until I hit a nice hill. I did spay one test and what a pathetic little stream(I wish I could have done the test on the irresponsible dog owner). Aim would need to be great and dog only 5ft away. Any suggestions on a good longer distance spray that would be legal in Canada?

Also I was thinking of carrying/attaching an 18"x2" wood dissuader should the spray miss. Any thoughts on this and would this be legal in Canada. Canada seems pretty draconian about personal defense IMO. I guess there is no personal crime up there
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Old 04-16-12, 12:08 PM   #2
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I have always used a water bottle full of ice cold gatorade as a dog weapon. I don't know if the gatorade stings if it hits eyes, or if the shock of the cold liquid is enough to get them to back off, but it has worked for me, and I rode a Catrike for three seasons, including touring in North Carolina for a week. Most dogs (to me) don't seem all that serious about catching the trike, they just want to run along an bark to make sure you're not a stray dog in their territory. The great things about the water bottle is it's always near at hand and easy to get to. I have never carried any pepper spray on the bike, too afraid I'd spray my own eyes I guess...

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Over the years I've encountered many dogs on bikes and trikes with zero problems using the quick STOP method with a BAD DOG GO HOME added on rare occasions.
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This has been a bad year already for dogs.

I have a training loop I have ridden for years and never seen a dog. About a week ago some dog behind a fence goes nuts on me but I don't care. F off, Cujo, I call out to him.

Turns out that Cujo had found a hole in the fence and was soon closing in on me at eye level. I sprinted as fast as I could. This was on a Strava segement, and I turned in a Personal Record time.

I would never have gone that fast if it wasn't for the dog.
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Your bike may be just right for the ol' burlap bag in the hubcap trick. It might not look pretty, but if you could somehow fasten a sturdy cloth to the outside wheel, something for the beast to latch onto with those snapping jaws., Well, I would pay money to see that show!
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Speak loudly and carry a big stick?

Dogs seem to be less serious about the chase since I switched to a bent. But, they do still chase. My usual response is nothing. Just keep pedaling. Occasionally, I'll shout in my gruffest voice. Seems to work. A squirt of water in the face will work too. As for the stick, a piece of pvc pipe is light and would show him you mean business.

Aiming pepper spray from a moving bike is a very iffy proposition.
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BITD, a quality aluminum frame pump could be used as a "dissuader" for dogs who wouldn't back down. Now if you had an elite Italian bike with a Plastic Impero Pump, you probably wouldn't use it the same way. I had to do this only twice in my 30 year cycling experience.

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When I lived on Guam there was a very high amount of roaming dogs, owned and not. Either people become fearful or thick skinned and I chose the latter. The most effective ways of breaking chase boiled down to coming up with a way to shake the focus. Partner in distant follow to zoom in was my favorite, followed by the sudden lateral movement or the frontal charge. In an occasional scenario the Stop flat and stare, no barking can really unnerve them.

The ultimate entertaining one was a dog that lived on a corner that I could speed around, cars parked along the curb and one was the owner's. I would go around and the dog would wait to chase alongside and attempt to bite my foot. Since the neighborhood was a block conducive to laps, one day I made a few passes with increased chase intensity. Eventually, he was barking and chasing then "WHAMP"

He hit his owner's truck hard enough to make the vehicle rock. He did that again a week later and never bothered chasing bikes after that.
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I let them sniff my butt, and then I sniff theirs, then we both go pee on a tree!!!! No problem!!!!
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Was thinking of having one of these:

http://amzn.com/B0045K4LAG

But only for the most aggressive types when all else fails, including loud horn.

edit: ignore the bizarre S&M references on Amazon... lol
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Thanks all some good ideas Some I'll leave on the table thanks

Guess no one has experience with Canadian customs with these types of personal protection.
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Was thinking of having one of these:

http://amzn.com/B0045K4LAG

But only for the most aggressive types when all else fails, including loud horn.

edit: ignore the bizarre S&M references on Amazon... lol
Whoa! Some of the comments were just weird!
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This is all excessive, IMHO. The dog is just excited by an unusual-looking creature (your bike) and possibly being territorial. He wouldn't know what to do with you if he caught up. If you try to ride away, he'll chase you. If you stop, he'll stop, at a safe distance, and continue barking at you.

Most Western dogs are quite timid by nature. They have a loud bark, but they aren't trained for viciousness. Exceptions do exist (you might be chased by a stray trained guard dog), but, if it's someone's pet, you're probably OK.

I have a German Shepherd. He scares the heck out of everyone (~100 lbs, and, if he stands on his hind paws, he's about as big as me), and yes, he barks at passing bicycles when he thinks that he's "guarding the house", but he's really not a vicious dog. He never barks or chases anyone when we go on walks. I had a curious incident last week when he found an opossum in the yard, chased him into a corner, but was afraid to touch him, so they stood there, a foot from each other, the dog barking, the opossum hissing. This went on for about 10 minutes till I broke it up.

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eugenek, Gee your some dog psychologist Dog barking in yard is one thing. When it leaves the yard and is on street after person/bike/car things just changed. First the owner is violating local law, i.e. must be contained or on leash. Next how do I know if it's an escaped "guard" dog or "Pet"? Around here they don't wear a billboard. And here in the country side dogs have been know to go on hunts. I've owned and my family has had Shepherds, Bulldogs, Labs, and mutts. I LOVE dogs and am not afraid of dogs. But I also have seen the results of dog mauls. So I don't think this is excessive. Good luck to you.

So the bottom line for me is if a dog approaches to within, oh say, 3-5ft I feel perfectly at peace with myself if I cause this dog a little Pain/shock/fear so it backs away. Do I like harming a dog, HELL NO it's not the dogs fault, but I'm not legally allowed to "correct" the owners.
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Over the years I've encountered many dogs on bikes and trikes with zero problems using the quick STOP method with a BAD DOG GO HOME added on rare occasions.
+2 , and it works better if you can say it without looking the dog in the eye but off to the side of them. Direct eye contact is a challenge, and yes - they can tell you are not looking at them.
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Years ago I was riding on a tandem with my 12 year old son. Shortly after we caught up with a small group of single bike riders a group of 5 dogs charged out at us. Each of the single bike riders produced their weapon of choice - a water bottle, a pump, one woman had some sort of high tech sonic thingie. My son and I didn't do anything. When it settled out, each single bike rider had a dog barking at their heels. The dogs left my son and me alone.

I think that dogs can smell fear and react aggressively toward it.

I've got some other good dog stories but I get nervous everytime that this topic comes up. It's like talking about not getting punctures.
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According to the news if you just shoot the cur and field dress him properly you could sell it to the whitehouse chef.
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According to the news if you just shoot the cur and field dress him properly you could sell it to the whitehouse chef.
Puts a new twist on "good doggie" Ha, ha!
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According to the news if you just shoot the cur and field dress him properly you could sell it to the whitehouse chef.
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Oh deer.

Anyway, my dog has a psychiatrist. This is what Chopper Reid thinks of it (definitely NSFW): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EY7l...e_gdata_player
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The one I didn't see is the one that sent me to the hospital with a concussion and type 3 AC joint separation. The dog hit me while I was at 22+mph. Until then I didn't understand why people slow down when they are in known dog territory.

I now carry HALT spray for the dogs but have learned that the dogs forget after about a week how bad the spray stings. I save the spray now for the dogs that truly seem aggressive. Otherwise, I slow down if there is any chance of the dog being in front of me and yell "STOP", "BACK", or "STAY" and that seems to break the chase.

If the dog is behind me then I sprint a little to see if the dog will stop chasing and most do stop. Yet, I'm not on a bent so its a tad different.
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Most dogs just have that "What the heck are YOU?" look on their faces when I pass by, usually with owner attached to them with a leash. I talk to them and and usually say "Hi puppy." in a high voice. Most of them not aggressive. One wanted to run alongside and lick my face at the same time. One nearly ended up falling into my lap. Golden retrievers... LOL
But in the past, several times, I've also been bitten by aggressive dogs just for passing through their territory, even though it was a public area. No time to be afraid, or anything, they just charge out, barking, silent or growling, and bite. Once I was bitten badly enough to require ambulance, surgery and a week in the hospital. Had a niece that was bitten in the face by an overly playful Rottweiler who was going after a chicken drumstick she was eating from. just a nip that required several reconstructive surgeries to her face and jaw. I can see that happening to a recumbent rider pretty easily, being in a more vulnerable position. So, all the more reason to at least keep an eye on the dog, and get the pepper spray ready if things start going south.
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Hi All
Just finished a ride from Maine to Ontario. Carried the small dog pepper spray. In was in my hand many times and unfortunately used on a dog once. Two running aggressively towards me starting about 75 yards away in a yard. No fence or other obvious restraining devices. I moved away, more in to the road. I was climbing a hill so no way to accelerate and leave them. At about 3ft I sprayed the first, it turned in fled. The 2nd dog stopped short and followed the other. Then this morning is a report of mother and son mauled by pit bull loose from yard in Belfast Maine(my nearest real town).
I will always carry pepper spray from now on.

Dogs, horses, cows all seem more perturbed about the trike than when I biked.
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Owner worse than the dog.
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Turns out that Cujo had found a hole in the fence and was soon closing in on me at eye level. I sprinted as fast as I could. This was on a Strava segement, and I turned in a Personal Record time.

I would never have gone that fast if it wasn't for the dog.
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