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    Quote Originally Posted by BentBob
    Me Too! I ride a Burley Jett Creek that works well for my road conditions. I got 2-3 more mph by adjusting the seat position, buying some Power Grips for the pedals and overinflating my tires...Kenda West by 5-10#. If I bought a faster bike, I'm afraid I'd spend more time fixing flat tires than enjoying the ride. I suspect I might even gain another couple mph as my engine improves.

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    I just got some SPD pedals ... but haven't put them on the bike yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bud Bent
    Do you like the Bacchetta Aero or the Volae Team better?
    I, and probably many others, would like to know the answer to this, as well!

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bud Bent
    Do you like the Bacchetta Aero or the Volae Team better?
    I get this question all of the time and rarely answer satisfactorily, mainly because I can't make up my mind. They both have good points and not so good points. I wish someone would merge the 2 and give me a Volaero.

    Seriously, I have about 7000 miles between the 2 and still don't know which one I like the best. I wish I did, because I keep thinking about selling one of them and buying a low-racer. Anyway, here's a quick run down:

    The Aero is about 1.6# lighter.
    The Aero has a shorter seat height, about an inch.
    The Team is stiffer, quite a bit.
    The Team has more attention to detail.
    The Team uses standard road bike parts, the Aero has some proprietary stuff.

    I like riding the Aero because the sit-over height is shorter and I"m only 5'-7". Also, the silky ride of titanium is sweet. However, the flexiness of the frame can get annoying at times. The lack of detail on the bike also annoys me. Bacchetta refuses to put cable guides on the frame so one has to resort to cable ties and such to tame the cables. Looks tacky to me and screams "high school shop project." Changing the seat position is a pain on the Aero and is governed by holes/bolts in the seat pan and grenade pins in the struts.

    The Volae handles better to me; it's probably a fit thing. The Volae also seems to roll much nicer and my fastest times on rides have come from the Team. I don't know if it's the stiffness of the frame or just coincidence. The extra weight doesn't seem to hurt on climbs, either. Again, probably due to the extra stiffness. The seat is infinitely adjustable on the Team and can be removed intact in seconds - nice.

    I really can't decide. I like both and ride both. A person couldn't go wrong with either.

    An interesting thing I've noticed, is that women like the painted "pretty" look of my Team while men seem to prefer the "industrial" look of my Aero. To me, the Aero looks sleeker but I do appreciate the craftsmanship on the Volaes.

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    So, been throwing the idea around a bit about a lowracer eh? Any ideas which one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowracer1
    So, been throwing the idea around a bit about a lowracer eh? Any ideas which one?
    Not really. I've ridden a Baron, but that's it. I'm relatively short (5'7") for a lot of low racers, though I did see a small woman on a VK2 last summer. I might try to make a couple of HPV races this summer to get a better idea of my needs/wants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrEWorm
    I saw something on TV once called an ACME rocket motor. It was used by a fellow named Coyote to make his bike faster.
    You might want to google that.
    Vision put a jet turbine on one of their Saber Highracers. They used to have it on their website.


    Here's a guy working on a jet powered penny farthing.
    http://www.pennyfarthing.dabsol.co.uk/pulse-je.htm

    And the worlds fastest barstool:
    http://www.turbinegroup.com/page2.html

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    Lemme get this straight. The Volae handles better, rolls nicer, seems to climb better, and gives you faster times. AND women like it.

    Thanks. YOU may not know which one YOU prefer but I know which one I'd like to have

    On serious note, thanks for the comparison, etc.

    Cheers


    Quote Originally Posted by Trsnrtr
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    The Volae handles better to me; it's probably a fit thing. The Volae also seems to roll much nicer and my fastest times on rides have come from the Team. I don't know if it's the stiffness of the frame or just coincidence. The extra weight doesn't seem to hurt on climbs, either.
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    An interesting thing I've noticed, is that women like the painted "pretty" look of my Team while men seem to prefer the "industrial" look of my Aero.

    -Dennis

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkehler
    Lemme get this straight. The Volae handles better, rolls nicer, seems to climb better, and gives you faster times. AND women like it.

    Thanks. YOU may not know which one YOU prefer but I know which one I'd like to have
    I guess that all did come out between the lines. I know one thing, it helps when you come home with a bike your wife likes as opposed to one that makes her just say "oh, you bought abother bike..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bud Bent
    Here's a different version of that question:

    My cheap beginner bent (that I bought last September) is a 28 pound Tsunami T-1 SWB with road tires, so it's probably as fast as $650 will get you (on a bent, that is). I'm already wanting something faster, but my budget won't allow my dream bike for another 3 1/2 years when my boat gets paid for (my other expensive hobby is tournament fishing). On top of that, I'm not sure what my dream bike needs to be. I want very fast, but something better in traffic and stop and go riding than either a low rider or high racer, and I prefer USS which is not as fast. To all the experts here: What does my dream bike need to be?
    Look at www.liggister.org/buyandsell.html and you will find your dreambike for less than a 1000 dollars! I would say that the Action Bike is rather wellknown in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erik forsgren
    Look at www.liggister.org/buyandsell.html and you will find your dreambike for less than a 1000 dollars! I would say that the Action Bike is rather wellknown in the US.
    Bud lives in Texas, so I'm not sure why you'd point him to a European website. Bud would be better off using local resources, like Bent Rider Online or the recumbent guide at Recumbents.Com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trsnrtr
    I guess that all did come out between the lines. I know one thing, it helps when you come home with a bike your wife likes[/][/] as opposed to one that makes her just say "oh, you bought abother bike..."
    Uh, I have to say, I don't get that. I always seem to get a variant of your last sentence. Something like "oh you bought another $&(#* bike, now where's IT going to go, in the #*%& basement with the other ^*&$# bikes?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlazingPedals
    Bud lives in Texas, so I'm not sure why you'd point him to a European website. Bud would be better off using local resources, like Bent Rider Online or the recumbent guide at Recumbents.Com
    I was just trying to be helpful, that's all. Furthermore Action Bent is a bike that appeals to Americans isn't it?

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    not really............ actionbents sure don't impress me much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erik forsgren
    Furthermore Action Bent is a bike that appeals to Americans isn't it?
    Rather than point an American to a European, foreign-language web site, pointing him here would be more helpful.

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    C'mon, guys, cut Erik a little slack!

    He was earnestly trying to help out. Chris, not everyone can afford a lowracer and I wouldn't think there is a USS model available (or physically possible for that matter.) Actionbent prices are certainly attractive to some, especially at $1000 or less. John, maybe a Swede like Erik didn't know of the American website - I'm sure most of his web-surfing might be in his own neighborhood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erik forsgren
    Look at www.liggister.org/buyandsell.html and you will find your dreambike for less than a 1000 dollars! I would say that the Action Bike is rather wellknown in the US.
    The bent I already own is a Tsunami, which is the same bike as the Actionbent. My budget was limited, and it was the best buy I found. I already know that my second bent will be a lighter, much pricier one. It's going to be quite a while before I can get it, but I was just trying to get a feel for which bike it will be.

    I am noticing that the Volae Team page in my Hostel Shoppe catalog is starting to show drool marks........lol.
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    Upgrading a Speedster will not gain you much and deplete your wallet. The posters for the most part have given you good advice. My suggestion is to ride you current steed, build your "Bentistic Muscularity" and while your at it visit as many shops that have bents, sit on em' ride em'. Attend any recumbent rallys that you can. Keep monitoring these pages as well as the RANS, Bacchetta, Hostellshoppe etc community boards as well as bentrideron line.com. Save your bucks and don't settle for less than you want. The Speedster may fufill your needs but there is joy in having you wants.

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    Actionbents are wonderful recumbents. Kind of pricey at $1000. Some folks like to buy luxury bicycles like the Actionbent and some folks can build a good recumbent from throw away parts.

    Who cares about riding fast on a recumbent anyway. There are no recumbent race teams like the Lance Armstrong bicycle team. There is no one to impress when riding a recumbent. Build or buy CHEAP and you will be happy. Most folks that sell their expensive recumbents do not like what they are selling. Thats why they sell it.

    I see a lot of good recumbents for sale at bentrideronline

    Barkroft for $1000
    Bike E FX for $700

    and for wealthy lottery winner folks a Giro for $1300

    All recumbents go about as fast as you want to go. Faster than a wheelchair or cane. Why spend top dollar when no one races these fun bikes. Recumbents are for fun riding and smelling the roses. Build your own for $100 and you will be happy.

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    Spuds, pease tell me how to build a bent for $100! Even though I just bought a trek 7500fx, I'm still fascinated with recumbents...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spuds McDoogle
    Actionbents are wonderful recumbents. Kind of pricey at $1000. Some folks like to buy luxury bicycles like the Actionbent and some folks can build a good recumbent from throw away parts.

    Who cares about riding fast on a recumbent anyway. There are no recumbent race teams like the Lance Armstrong bicycle team. There is no one to impress when riding a recumbent. Build or buy CHEAP and you will be happy. Most folks that sell their expensive recumbents do not like what they are selling. Thats why they sell it.

    I see a lot of good recumbents for sale at bentrideronline

    Barkroft for $1000
    Bike E FX for $700

    and for wealthy lottery winner folks a Giro for $1300




    All recumbents go about as fast as you want to go. Faster than a wheelchair or cane. Why spend top dollar when no one races these fun bikes. Recumbents are for fun riding and smelling the roses. Build your own for $100 and you will be happy.

    Spuds
    I'm going to the garage right now to build a $100 p.o.s. bike to go really slow on and then walk it up some hills. It's going to be so much FUN I can hardly contain myself!!! Hahahaha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff-o
    Spuds, pease tell me how to build a bent for $100! Even though I just bought a trek 7500fx, I'm still fascinated with recumbents...
    You can find throw away bicycles at garage sales, in dumpsters at the LBS, at junk yards, at a walk along the river and on the street curb that people throw away.

    All it takes is a hack saw, a welding torch with rods and flux, some throw away bicycle parts and some imagination. You have the perfect recumbent when finished. CHEAP and good for riding.

    No need to buy an expensive recumbent when it is easy to make a recumbent that is better than a fancy name brand.

    Spuds

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    Spuds doesn't mean any harm. His job at the recycling center just drove him over the edge....
    I'll gently rise and I'll softly call
    Good night and joy be with you all.

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    DROOL MARKS eh Bud?? heheahah. I am with you and Chris,, the actionbike line is a way to start with low bux, to me it seems better to get a used Quality top brand name level frame,, and upgrade parts when you get the dough. Actionbent does claim to have a three yr warranty on the new bikes, but they stock a very limited number of parts, and if they dont have it in stock,, you are either on your own,, or waiting for taiwan to ship one,,if they even have the part in stock at the factory ! Actionbents are known for rather weak seat frames, and extermely easily damaged seat covers,, He even sells seatless framesets because he has to cannibalize some of the new bikes, to service the warranty for older customers. That actually may be the best ab to buy, at least you get to select your favorite seat that way. To me,, if low bucks are a necessity,, the EZ line would be of value with their dealer network, even if the similar bike is a little heavier and costly by a small amount. Incidentally, I know I sound like a lbs,,,,,,not so,,have no connection financially to a lbs or any other bike sales outlet. I am simply an enthusiast interested in seeing that peops get a lot of bang for their recumbent bux . Enjoy !

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    Holey mackeral,,,,,, Spuds has a reasonable thought for someone with a lot of initiative and know how, but most here have enuff to buy a bike me thinks. Ive done the same myself when I wanted to test a new concept without laying out a batchobux . There is a place for the homebuilder like the Spudster though. GO SPUDS !!!!

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    I would like to hitch hike on what "Blazing" said. A good USS SWB is an Haluzak or the new Longbikes Eliminator. I saw a sweet Horizon on the floor at Valley Bikes with mechanical disc brakes front and rear.

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