Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Recumbent What IS that thing?! Recumbents may be odd looking, but they have many advantages over a "wedgie" bicycle. Discuss the in's and out's recumbent lifestyle in the recumbent forum.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 03-12-13, 07:19 PM   #1
FalconRider54
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Lancaster, PA
Bikes: Cycle Genius LTX
Posts: 44
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Cruising Speed on LWB

Ok, so I see people talking about their speed on an LWB and I wonder what is wrong with me. I ride a Cycle Genius Falcon and do about 2000 miles per year, much of it commuting. My average speed is around 13 mph. I see people posting that they average 16, 18, even 20 mph. So what is the deal? Just curious about what conditions, load, fairings, etc. that people are using to achieve these speeds. For me, I ride the Falcon, loaded with panniers carrying clothes, tools, laptop, fenders, no fairing. I run Schwalbe marathon tires at 85 psi. I generally ride on the middle chain ring up front and the 3-6 rings in the back. As I said, I go about 13 mph over a 10-15 mile commute each way.
FalconRider54 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-13, 08:18 PM   #2
Retro Grouch 
Senior Member
 
Retro Grouch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: St Peters, Missouri
Bikes: Rans Rockst (Retro rocket) Rans Enduro Sport (Retro racket) Catrike 559, Merin Bear Valley (beater bike).
Posts: 26,614
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 88 Post(s)
1. There's lots of variables, horsepower and motivation to name the 2 biggies.
2. Anybody can say on the internet that they average 20 MPH. Some of them really can.
3. Unless somebody is giving out trophies, who cares?
Retro Grouch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-13, 06:46 AM   #3
BlazingPedals
Senior Member
 
BlazingPedals's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Middle of da Mitten
Bikes: Trek 7500, RANS V-Rex, Optima Baron, Velokraft NoCom, M-5 Carbon Highracer, homebuilt recumbent
Posts: 8,904
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 78 Post(s)
Starting with the motor is always the first step. Get a heart rate monitor and a book on how to use it. Develop a plan of hard days and rest days, and stick to it. Once you start seeing results, then you *may* start thinking in terms of a faster bike; but at 13 mph your bike is not holding you back yet.
BlazingPedals is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-13, 10:45 AM   #4
Wilbur Bud
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Fishers Indiana
Bikes: Longbikes Slipstream
Posts: 356
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Do you mean cruising speed or do you mean average speed over your commute, including stop lights and stop signs? I'm much like you if you meant average speed over your commute, including stops and delays. But, if you meant cruising speed (on the flat, stable, at the level of effort you are willing to use), then I think 13 mph could be a factor of engine or equipment. You can manage the engine as you want. As a first remedy, I'd make a friction inspection (no dry idler bearings, no flat spots on idlers, no tight or clogged chain tubes, clean and lubricated chain and chainrings, no dry seals in the hubs, no dirt or crunchies in the hub bearings or bottom bracket, etc.). My typical average speed is 12-13 mph for commuting, but I probably have a cruise speed more in the 17-18 mph range (although Indianapolis is way flat compared to Lanco so its possible the rolling vertical nature of Lanco roads is also slowing you down somewhat, despite the notion of gaining back on the downhill side what you lost on the uphill).
__________________
Longbikes Slipstream
Wilbur Bud is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-13, 11:27 AM   #5
BlazingPedals
Senior Member
 
BlazingPedals's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Middle of da Mitten
Bikes: Trek 7500, RANS V-Rex, Optima Baron, Velokraft NoCom, M-5 Carbon Highracer, homebuilt recumbent
Posts: 8,904
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 78 Post(s)
When I read "cruising speed" I interpret it as a somewhat vague number which represents what you'd expect to see if you looked down at your speedo while "cruising" along on flat ground with no headwind. Average speed is what your computer shows. Average speeds will be lower, because they include all the sub-optimal conditions too. The other way of stating performance is elapsed time. That's from start to finish, including time while stopped.

Are we on the same page? If we are, then an average speed of 13 mph might be indicate nothing more than a route with stop signs and lights. Stops can really kill your average. As WB says, hills can kill average speeds, too; time lost climbing is never made up on the downhills. If you're really talking about "cruising" speeds, then unless there's some obvious defect with your bike like a dragging brake, then training is the way to go.
BlazingPedals is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-13, 12:03 PM   #6
Doug5150
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: IL-USA
Bikes:
Posts: 1,661
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I have the same bike as the OP, but mine is a few years old with the 20" front wheel. I don't have any aero add-ons. I am in my early-40's and somewhat overweight.

I "usually" go maybe 15 mph starting out on rural rides, and I end up doing ~10 mph after 75 miles or so. Not many hills really (Illinois).

I don't attempt to go fast, I ride alone so there's not really much motivation... and the weather is a BIG factor. I can go a lot farther and a lot faster at 70F/low humidity than I can at 95F/high humidity. It's a big difference between good days and bad days.

------

On windy days I have noticed that I often spin out in the highest gear, when the wind is at my back. This doesn't surprise me much as the Falcon (at least the year I bought,,,) isn't really a racing bike, having a rather upright seating position.

One of these days I am going to make a front fairing & sock just to see what a difference it makes. I've just never gotten around to doing it yet.
Doug5150 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-13, 12:59 PM   #7
gcottay
Senior Member
 
gcottay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Green Valley AZ
Bikes: Trice Q; Volae Century; TT 3.4
Posts: 3,772
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro Grouch View Post
1. There's lots of variables, horsepower and motivation to name the 2 biggies.
2. Anybody can say on the internet that they average 20 MPH. Some of them really can.
3. Unless somebody is giving out trophies, who cares?
Yes, this.
gcottay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-13, 07:44 PM   #8
JanMM
rebmeM roineS
 
JanMM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In Central IN
Bikes: RANS V3, RANS V-Rex, RANS Screamer
Posts: 13,335
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 16 Post(s)
I was averaging (not including red lights) 16mph last Fall on my 9 mile suburban/urban commute. But I don't haul a laptop. Ditch the laptop.
__________________
RANS V3 - Ti, RANS V-Rex - cromo, RANS Screamer - cromo
JanMM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-13, 08:09 PM   #9
rydabent
Senior Member
 
rydabent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Lincoln Ne
Bikes: RANS Stratus TerraTrike Cruiser
Posts: 5,703
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 122 Post(s)
retro grouch +1 Your 3 points cover it quite well.

Personally early in the year "just cruising" I do about 13mph. Late in Aug it is up around 15.

And this year I may have to put a snow plow attachment on because of this lousy spring and will only be able to do about 5mph!!!
rydabent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-13, 07:17 AM   #10
BlazingPedals
Senior Member
 
BlazingPedals's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Middle of da Mitten
Bikes: Trek 7500, RANS V-Rex, Optima Baron, Velokraft NoCom, M-5 Carbon Highracer, homebuilt recumbent
Posts: 8,904
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 78 Post(s)
Get a seat bag that will hold what you need so that you can ditch the speed-killing panniers. Smaller bags have a remarkable way of forcing you to pare down what you think you need so you're not unnecessarily lugging 50 pounds of junk everywhere. That way you win twice - one by lowering your bike's weight, and two by becoming more aerodynamic.
BlazingPedals is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-13, 11:40 PM   #11
rnorris
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Flagstaff, AZ
Bikes: Marin Pt. Reyes, Gary Fisher HiFi Pro, Easy Racers Gold Rush recumbent, Cannondale F600
Posts: 976
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I generally average about 13mph as well in the hilly suburban to urban areas I usually ride in, whether I'm on my LWB or upright road bike. In my case it's simply that I can't put the power to the pedals that most people can, especially after recent knee surgery. I climb pretty well though.
rnorris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-13, 09:38 AM   #12
delcrossv 
Senior Member
 
delcrossv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Scalarville
Bikes:
Posts: 1,459
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I used to average around 15 on the Ryan. Not all that fast but I could do that all day. Last summer the kid got it up to 27 mph in a 200m sprint at the track



He used a primo comet in front, Panaracer pasela in the back. I was using a Marathon Racer in the back . Marathons are great tires but really slow IMO.
__________________
Lightning P-38 / M5 M-Racer/Ryan Vanguard

Last edited by delcrossv; 03-15-13 at 09:57 AM.
delcrossv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-13, 09:02 AM   #13
FalconRider54
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Lancaster, PA
Bikes: Cycle Genius LTX
Posts: 44
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Well, I guess by cruising speed I meant the average speed for the commute, including all of the delays. So if people are posting their speeds as when they look down at the speedometer, then I guess I am OK with it and with what I am doing. It isn't so much I care about what my speed is as much I care about reducing my commute time. Taking an hour and 5 minutes to commute to work versus 50 minutes would concern me if it is something I am doing incorrectly. Thanks for the input everyone.
FalconRider54 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-13, 07:04 AM   #14
osco53
Old Fart In Training
 
osco53's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Central Florida
Bikes: Trek CrossRip 3, Easy Racer Tour Easy LE,Sun EZ-3, Scott Spark 760 2014 Dahon Speed P8
Posts: 2,024
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
http://www.bentrideronline.com/?p=1484

Your doing fine,, I can average 18 mph but thats on a paved MUP that has no stop signs, intersections, curbs, dogs or cars to stop for XD

13 mph sounds good.
Other than the junk you carry your bike is 36 lbs just like my TE. and I'm 190 lbs
I like a cadence range of 60 to 90 rpm and also run the middle chaining up front and often stay in 6,7 and 8 out back.
I just cant pull top gear.
Pumping the big chain ring and cog # 7 is real fun,,try it.

http://sheldonbrown.com/gears/

Up front,
the little ones for up hill,
the middle for the flats,
and the biggun's for the down hill runs,, vroom vroom

Last edited by osco53; 03-17-13 at 07:14 AM.
osco53 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-13, 12:14 PM   #15
bkaapcke
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 3,226
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Not to mention incorrect entry of tire circumference into the computer.

But really, what's the hurry? bk

Last edited by bkaapcke; 07-04-13 at 12:34 PM.
bkaapcke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-13, 08:30 AM   #16
rydabent
Senior Member
 
rydabent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Lincoln Ne
Bikes: RANS Stratus TerraTrike Cruiser
Posts: 5,703
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 122 Post(s)
There is just one other thing to consider. On an internet forum anyone can claim any speed they want to!!!!!

Besides that there is the fastest speed, and then there is ave speed. It all depends on where you are riding. Terrain and wind will make the big difference. Btw I am super fast down hill with the wind.
rydabent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-13, 10:45 AM   #17
cplager
The Recumbent Quant
 
cplager's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Norwalk, CT
Bikes: 2012 Cruzbike Sofrider, 2013 Cruzigami Mantis
Posts: 3,017
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
There is just one other thing to consider. On an internet forum anyone can claim any speed they want to!!!!!

Besides that there is the fastest speed, and then there is ave speed. It all depends on where you are riding. Terrain and wind will make the big difference. Btw I am super fast down hill with the wind.
Not only can you claim anything you want, you can doctor your GPX files to have them say anything you want as well.
cplager is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-13, 01:42 PM   #18
delcrossv 
Senior Member
 
delcrossv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Scalarville
Bikes:
Posts: 1,459
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by cplager View Post
Not only can you claim anything you want, you can doctor your GPX files to have them say anything you want as well.
Now's the time to insert the pic of the fat guy sitting at a computer- you know the one I'm talking about.
__________________
Lightning P-38 / M5 M-Racer/Ryan Vanguard
delcrossv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-13, 08:18 PM   #19
JanMM
rebmeM roineS
 
JanMM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In Central IN
Bikes: RANS V3, RANS V-Rex, RANS Screamer
Posts: 13,335
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 16 Post(s)
I was cruising on my LWB at 30mph on a ride this evening.
Downhill.
With a tailwind.
For a minute.
__________________
RANS V3 - Ti, RANS V-Rex - cromo, RANS Screamer - cromo
JanMM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-13, 07:00 AM   #20
rydabent
Senior Member
 
rydabent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Lincoln Ne
Bikes: RANS Stratus TerraTrike Cruiser
Posts: 5,703
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 122 Post(s)
JannMM

Well here is one person that tells the truth.
rydabent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-13, 11:25 AM   #21
bear38
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Bikes:
Posts: 26
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I don't worry about my speed. I average 13 mph on the total ride but do cruise at 18 or 19 mph. I find these 6% hill here in WV slow me down. I don't feel so bad about being slow when I read the speeds of other riders on much flatter ground. I am just burning calories and having fun anyway.
bear38 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-13, 11:22 AM   #22
tallbikeman
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Yolo County, West Sacramento CA
Bikes: 1995 Trek 820 25 inch frame 26 inch wheel. Modified 26 inch frame Schwinn Varsity with 700c wheels and Shimano 7 speed Nexus with roller brake and front roller brake. Rans Gliss recumbent with 20 inch wheelset.
Posts: 4
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I run a RANS Gliss and average about 13 mph on all pavement rides. I believe that heart health and conditioning are key to getting well maintained good equipment up to higher speeds. I ride for pleasure and health reasons so I ride as fast as my old body will go and not blow out early on a ride. I've been doing a lot of 35-40 mile rides locally and average 12 to 13 mph on these flatland rides. We have a lot of wind here and I try to make my rides upwind outbound and downwind back rides. I carry tools and water on my bicycle so this adds to the effort needed. Bicycling is wonderful.
tallbikeman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-13, 11:45 AM   #23
JanMM
rebmeM roineS
 
JanMM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In Central IN
Bikes: RANS V3, RANS V-Rex, RANS Screamer
Posts: 13,335
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 16 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by tallbikeman View Post
I run a RANS Gliss and average about 13 mph on all pavement rides. I believe that heart health and conditioning are key to getting well maintained good equipment up to higher speeds. I ride for pleasure and health reasons so I ride as fast as my old body will go and not blow out early on a ride. I've been doing a lot of 35-40 mile rides locally and average 12 to 13 mph on these flatland rides. We have a lot of wind here and I try to make my rides upwind outbound and downwind back rides. I carry tools and water on my bicycle so this adds to the effort needed. Bicycling is wonderful.
Agreed
__________________
RANS V3 - Ti, RANS V-Rex - cromo, RANS Screamer - cromo
JanMM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-13, 01:40 PM   #24
BlazingPedals
Senior Member
 
BlazingPedals's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Middle of da Mitten
Bikes: Trek 7500, RANS V-Rex, Optima Baron, Velokraft NoCom, M-5 Carbon Highracer, homebuilt recumbent
Posts: 8,904
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 78 Post(s)
Most of my evening rides are 25-35 miles, and I'm not afraid of pushing too hard and possibly running out of steam prematurely. I can always limp in; and you don't know what you're capable of unless you push the limits. Now, longer weekend rides are another matter. For those, I rarely push as hard.

Unless they have a heart rate monitor, most people have no idea how hard they're going, and grossly overestimate how hard they're riding; i.e. they might think they're riding hard, but only doing 65% MHR.
BlazingPedals is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-13, 12:27 PM   #25
fietsbob 
coprolite
 
fietsbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: NW,Oregon Coast
Bikes: 7
Posts: 19,614
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 432 Post(s)
Zzipper fairings improve the aerodynamics a Bit.
fietsbob is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:46 PM.