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    TerraTrike Rover 8spd Question

    Hi all, I live in NE Ohio and am nearing being able to purchase a trike. Catrike's, etc. are out of my price range and I think I have settled on the TT Rover. How does the 8spd handle hills(not mountains, just hills). I'm not in Olympic shape, but better than some. I will mostly be on the hike and bike, but also want to ride on the road. I know Peter C has a Rover and loves it, I was just wondering what everyone's thoughts were.

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    Number of speeds has almost nothing to do with how well a bike or a trike will handle hills. The short, quick test is the number of teeth on the largest rear cog. If everything else is similar my bet is you'll find the number of teeth on the big rear cogs are identical. Consequently hill climbing will be identical too.

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    I just bought a TT Rambler with 8 speed SA hub, just like the Rover. (The Rambler is a little lighter and I liked its looks - that's why I bought it instead of the Rover.) It handles hills just fine. Sacramento is not as hilly as Ohio, but there are some hills around Folsom Lake. Nothing I could not get over, and I'm 70 years old. The range of gearing is what's important, and I think the Rover is about 25 to 75, high enough for a trike. I think you'll be satisfied. Don't forget to use some kind of pedal restraint, like heel straps or clip-in shoes, just to prevent your leg being caught under the axle in case your foot is shaken off the pedal by a bump.
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    Thanks for the replies! I will definitely buy clipless pedals when I get the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biggieou View Post
    Thanks for the replies! I will definitely buy clipless pedals when I get the trike.
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    Can someone explain the difference in the Rover 8 and the Rover Nexus 8? I'm assuming better quality parts, but is there a significant difference? Can I shift gears while pedaling with the Nexus set up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by biggieou View Post
    Can someone explain the difference in the Rover 8 and the Rover Nexus 8? I'm assuming better quality parts, but is there a significant difference? Can I shift gears while pedaling with the Nexus set up?
    I'm not sure about the difference between the S/A and the Nexus. Probably reliability. Shimano seems to be the acknowledged leader in IGH tech. Either option gives a low gear of about 24". Most trikes have lower than that. At the other end, even the 80" is on the low side of normal. I tend to assume that the gears on a bike (or trike) reflect its capabilities. In this case, it just is not designed to go fast or to climb crazy-steep hills. But, that's what I would expect for a ruthlessly-cost-reduced model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biggieou View Post
    Can someone explain the difference in the Rover 8 and the Rover Nexus 8? I'm assuming better quality parts, but is there a significant difference? Can I shift gears while pedaling with the Nexus set up?
    From the TerraTrike web site: "The Rovers are also available with the newer, lighter and more mechanically advanced Shimano Nexus drives. These drives not only shave off added weight but allow you to shift under load." That means pedaling!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gbalke View Post
    From the TerraTrike web site: "The Rovers are also available with the newer, lighter and more mechanically advanced Shimano Nexus drives. These drives not only shave off added weight but allow you to shift under load." That means pedaling!
    My wife has the Rover 8 with the SA hub. My Brompton folding bike also has an SA hub. You do have to stop pedaling when shifting the SA hub. Not really a problem, just something you have to get used to. One advantage is that when you come to a stop in too high of a gear (like a sudden stop at a stop light) shifting down is a breeze unlike a derailleur system.

    As for climbing hills she doesn't have any problem with them. She's 63 and in good shape. The SA hub on the Rover 8 is geared pretty low. I test rode her trike and found the gearing on the top end too low for me. So I bought a Tour II for myself. We both still ride our DF bikes but those trikes sure are fun!

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    Going down through the specifications, the two 8-speed Rover models seem to be identical except for the rear hubs. Rover isn't clear if they provide the regular Nexus hub or the better "red band" model. The Sturmey-Archer 8-speed design, which debuted in 2009, is much simpler mechanically with far fewer parts, and it has a wider over all gear range with even steps that mimic the "alpline" gearing on all those millions of 'ten speeds' sold back during the 1970s. The Shimano 8-speed, dating from 2004, is a robust design with, frankly, random, uneven gear steps. As can be inferred from the specifications, the Sturmey hub equipped model has gears of 24, 32, 36, 41, 47, 53, 61 and 79 gear inches. The Shimano Nexus equipped model has gears of 20, 25, 29, 33, 39, 47, 55 and 62 gear inches.
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    People are getting all excited about the fact that Terratrike is now offering the Shimano 8 speed hub. I have used both the Shimano (on a DF bike) and the Sturmey Archer 8 speed hub on a trike. Both work fine. I have been happy with both. I have (or had) about 6000 miles on the Shimano and it never even needed adjusting, a fine piece of equipment. I have fewer miles on the SA, but so far it has been just as good. As the previous poster said, the steps on the Shimano are unequal, but I never found this a problem. With the SA, you have to stop pedalling when shifting, but I always did that anyway with any IGH to save wear on the internals. In short, go with either one, but personally I like cheaper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mriley View Post
    With the SA, you have to stop pedaling when shifting...
    I thought about this as I rode my Sturmey-Archer XRK8(W) equipped bike yesterday. Did I 'stop pedaling'? The cranks never stopped rotating, but I definitely slacked off on pedal pressure right as I shifted gears. I'd think that qualifies as 'stop pedaling', but maybe not in the way folks imagine when they hear the term.

    I did have to think about this - I started riding derailleur equipped bikes in the 1960s, and picked up the habit of slacking off pedal pressure when shifting any multigear bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcs View Post
    I thought about this as I rode my Sturmey-Archer XRK8(W) equipped bike yesterday. Did I 'stop pedaling'? The cranks never stopped rotating, but I definitely slacked off on pedal pressure right as I shifted gears. I'd think that qualifies as 'stop pedaling', but maybe not in the way folks imagine when they hear the term.

    I did have to think about this - I started riding derailleur equipped bikes in the 1960s, and picked up the habit of slacking off pedal pressure when shifting any multigear bike.
    If the pedals are moving. you are essentially still pedaling, regardless of the force you are using. If pedals are moving, so is the chain and the rear sprocket and internal parts of the IGH driven by that sprocket.

    Look at it this way; I'm hitting you over your head with a big stick. Do you want me to stop, or just slow down?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gbalke View Post
    If the pedals are moving. you are essentially still pedaling...
    I'm sitting on the bike, turning the cranks backwards. gbalke says I'm pedaling.

    BTW, your analogy confuses speed with force, two different things.
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    "Stop pedaling" means don't move them. Some of the old SA literature suggests pedaling backwards if you are having trouble shifting - not necessary now, but the hub shifts better (and longer) if you stop moving the pedals. Not sure what the reason is.
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    Whether you pedal an IGH or not during shifting, is irrelevant. What is relevant, is how much 'load' or 'torque' you apply to the pedals during shifting that matters. Mating gears don't like to move laterally when their teeth are loaded, so simply backing-off the pedal pressure is enough to appease most gearboxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaPa View Post
    Whether you pedal an IGH or not during shifting, is irrelevant. What is relevant, is how much 'load' or 'torque' you apply to the pedals during shifting that matters. Mating gears don't like to move laterally when their teeth are loaded, so simply backing-off the pedal pressure is enough to appease most gearboxes.
    This is my experience, too. I had a Sachs 3x7 on my V-Rex for a few years. I was advised to stop pedaling to shift the IGH, but in reality spinning slowly under no-load worked just as well. The feet didn't have to completely stop as long as there was no force being applied.

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    From the S80W manual:
    Quote Originally Posted by Sturmey-Archer
    1.3 Gear Changing
    Stop pedal and select the gear required, then go on pedaling. If the bicycle is stationary simply select gear required.
    From the current Rover manual:
    Quote Originally Posted by TerraTrike
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    Your Rover 3 or 8 will arrive with an internally geared hub in the rear wheel. In order to shift, STOP PEDALLING (coast), shift, begin pedalling again. The trike doesn’t have to be stopped to shift into another gear. However, it’s important that you DO NOT pedal when shifting. Pedalling while shifting can have a number of consequenses. If the hub is damaged or malfunctions because of improper shifting technique, it WILL NOT be covered under warranty.
    From the previous Rover manual:
    Quote Originally Posted by TerraTrike
    5. You do not have to pedal your Rover when you are shifting gears. Actually, it is better not to pedal or “soft pedal” when you shift gears. Due to our use of the internally geared hub, you can even shift gears when the trike is not moving.
    I believe the docs on my Path also said that soft pedaling (which would mean, spinning the pedals with minimal torque while shifting) was OK, but TerraTrike has backpedaled (pun fully intended) from that statement it seems. But, I would think that torque is the problem, not movement - I'd guess that TT just had too high warranty claims from people who thought they were soft pedaling.
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    SA 8 speed hub failure

    It's interesting that there is a posting on Bentrideronline by TNRambler titled Internal Gear Hub Question IGH8speed. He lent out his trike equipped with the Sturmey Archer S80 8 speed hub and it came back with only 2 speeds. The information from Terratrike clearly states that SA hub failure will not be covered if the breakage is caused by improper shifting. How does one prove the problem is NOT caused by pedaling while changing gears? A replacement hub is at least $175.

    There's a second set of posts in the trike section of bentrider with the title TerraTrike Path - Upgrade or Replace? by a poster with the name Zaphod Beeblebrox. Take a look at the replies about half way down the page from some people who have had either the Rover or Rambler with this hub. All hubs can fail eventually, especially if they have been abused or used beyond the limits they were designed for. Low mileage failure should be rare for a well designed hub though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasTriker View Post
    A replacement hub is at least $175.
    Yep. But also in that thread is a poster who got new internals warranted from Sturmey (their customer service has been great for most folks), and a link to a youtube video where a fellow took his non-functioning SA8(W) hub apart, cleaned it, relubricated it and then it worked fine (an approach which would be $175 less out-of-pocket than your suggested $175 replacement cost). Also, while SRAM and Shimano don't support their hubs with retail availability of spare component parts, Sturmey does. Many of the internal parts for their 8-speed hub can be purchased individually.
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    Anybody Know the hub width of the Single speed Rover at $699 ? Somebody told me it was the same as the Nexus 8's at 135mm. Have a special project and need a 135mm OLN width and do not want to spend as much as we will be gutting most of parts anyway. Thanks

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    "Anybody Know the hub width of the Single speed Rover at $699 ?"

    Ask this question of Ashley Guy of Utah Trikes www.utahtrikes.com. Until recently they were a very large dealer for Terratrike products until the company decided to ban dealers from selling long distance.

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