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Old 02-23-05, 09:36 PM   #1
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I am without a recumbent right now, so I've got nothing to do but think about my next bent while saving up some dough...I've got some in mind, but one style that I felt was out of my reach (literally) has been the highracer because of the larger wheelsets. (My x-seam is 38")

BTW, my mind is wide open re SWB, CLWB, or LWB. Don't want a trike (right now). Have owned a V-Rex, Rocket, and had a short affair with a Tour Easy. Liked them all, but now that I am bentless, I want to bid my time on my next decision. Maybe do some short excursions to do some test rides in the spring. Hit a few bent shops with a good sampling of bikes to try.

I'm just curious about high racers for short people...I want to go fast, sit flat-footed (or close), ride a responsive and peppy ride, ride a relatively lightweight bike (around 27lbs or less).

(I will admit I am currently researching/eyeing/oggling the RANS V2 as well as the Actionbent Road Runner...both look pretty cool!!)

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Old 02-24-05, 12:21 PM   #2
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Challenge manufacture a new model called Seiran, that I tried in Denmark a week ago. It is a 26x26. It can be available as USS or OSS. Since I tried it and Iam only 174 cm I can assure you that it will also suit short people.
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Old 02-24-05, 01:28 PM   #3
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Have someone custom build you a highracer (Bacchetta, Volae, or Force 5) with 451 wheels from Velocity. Little will be lost in speed and you will have a unique ride as well.
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Comparing seat heights on the bikes I have ridden, I'd say I need to be sitting on no higher than 19-20". V2 and Barcroft Virginia fall in that range. Both pretty fast bikes, I understand.
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Have someone custom build you a highracer (Bacchetta, Volae, or Force 5) with 451 wheels from Velocity. Little will be lost in speed and you will have a unique ride as well.
Using small wheels would negate the purpose of the highracer - namely the rolling ability on less-than-perfect road surfaces. Use dual 20s and you've got a Rotator Tiger, not a highracer. The 451 wheels have very few tire choices, which is why they're not used much. I'd recommend 507 or 520 as a compromise in size, but they're even worse for tire selection.
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I'm 5'11" and own the Road Runner. I can see how a shorter person would like this bike also. Feet flat when stopped, 700c rear,451 front the bike keeps a high average speed very easily. Frame is Aluminum and with the narrow tires it really is not for rough roads or trails. I ride it wherever a DF road bike would ride so it fits my style fine. As has been mentioned you will be locked into a 451-25 front...no larger will fit. Replacement 451-25s are for sale on the Actionbent site. Its actual weight is 28 lbs as measured. Carbon front fork does remove some of the high freq vibration but its not suspended by any means. I would buy it again (owned since last summer):

http://photobucket.com/albums/v86/xlr8also/Recumbent/

http://photobucket.com/albums/v86/xlr8also/Bentride/
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Wow! Nice photos..thanks! I emailed Randy S about them and he got back to me right away. He says the boom is adjustable. I wasn't sure if and how the handlebar set-up was adjustable. Can you elaborate?

Would you consider this a "fast" bike? What others have you owned to compare it to?

Also, wondering if a 406 could be put on the front? I think Easy Racers switches out between 406 and 451. (Maybe I'm wrong about that)
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"Wow! Nice photos..thanks! I emailed Randy S about them and he got back to me right away. He says the boom is adjustable. I wasn't sure if and how the handlebar set-up was adjustable. Can you elaborate?"

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No problem. There are not many high res photos of Actionbents in general. This is my first bent so I really dont have much to compare to. It does *feel* light for a recumbent and I have no problem cruising 18-20 mph on the flats. Handlebars on this model only adjust at the top. There is no provision for pulling them towards you or away. Since the pictures I now have the bars pushed fowards and it opened up the cockpit a bit. Body of the Road Runner is Aluminum and the boom is steel (did the magnet test). I'm not sure what else I can tell you about the bars...let me know.

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Also, wondering if a 406 could be put on the front? I think Easy Racers switches out between 406 and 451. (Maybe I'm wrong about that)

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A 406 will not fit the front fork. If you look at the first set of pictures, the third picture at the top of the chain management. Scroll it down some and look at the top of the front wheel. The 451-25 front wheel is so close to the top of the front fork that even a 451-28 wont fit. There is a work-around that a couple of RR owners have done. The fix is to install two shims in the front fork dropouts (.190 inch) and this will allow a taller tire. I'm thinking about going to a Scwalbe Stelvio 451-28 and installing the shims myself.
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The 451-25 front wheel is so close to the top of the front fork that even a 451-28 wont fit. There is a work-around that a couple of RR owners have done. The fix is to install two shims in the front fork dropouts (.190 inch) and this will allow a taller tire. I'm thinking about going to a Scwalbe Stelvio 451-28 and installing the shims myself.
Wow! The 28 isn't fat by any means. In fact, the 1" tire has always been considered for LWB use only, due to their more rear-biased weight distribution. I would consider the inability to take wider tires to be a serious flaw in that design. Good thing you can add the shims. Do you glue them in place?
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Yes they need to be glued in place. You cant buy the shims. From what I understand using a dremel and starting with something like brass you make two C shaped shims about .190 inch thick and glue them in using RTV. There is plenty of drop-out left so that the whell is still held secure. One guy is using the 451-28 Stelvio says the ride comfort factor went up with the -28.

Randy S has taken this up with the factory and they seem non-plussed about it. Dont know if you can grind carbon fiber but that may be another way to go.
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Yes, you can grind CF. Have a really *good* particulate mask, the stuff is toxic and (IIRC) carcinogenic when inhaled.

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How about using the Cruz Bike conversion on a 24" or 20" mountain bike?

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More info from Actionbent...Randy says the handlebar on the Road Runner will be modified to become a tilt adjustment. Also, he says the RANS "flip it" handlebar system will fit on the bike!
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Chilidog:

Thanks for the update. I like the look of the flip system and the praticality of it. I'm a little jealous of the Suspended RR because it has one Where would one buy the RANS flip-it?

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Have you seen NHAero's dual-451 Aero posted on BROL? That might suit you. My suggestion to him was to consider a Ti Tiger, since I'm sure Steve could make one in dual 451.

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Chilidog:

Thanks for the update. I like the look of the flip system and the praticality of it. I'm a little jealous of the Suspended RR because it has one Where would one buy the RANS flip-it?
Go to the RANS website or call RANS...they can set you up!
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Here is hiracer from a less-known Dutch manufacturer. I've ridden it and can assure you that a small person can fit on it. There's hardly a difference between their 26/26 and other 20/26 'bents.

http://www.nazca-ligfietsen.nl/modellen.htm

I don't think he exports to the US currently and the website is only in Dutch. But thought you might enjoy seeing something new.

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Yes, you can grind CF. Have a really *good* particulate mask, the stuff is toxic and (IIRC) carcinogenic when inhaled.
True, you CAN, but the question is, SHOULD you? Remember, if you grind the carbon, you're removing structural material. (But I'd be tempted to try it, too.) Be careful!
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Hello, There is an actionbent forum on yahoo, if youre seriously considering one of those,due to price, maybe you want to go over there and read some critically important info before you make the jump. Go to yahoo,then groups,,then sports, then cycling, then recumbents, then actionbent.

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More info from Actionbent...Randy says the handlebar on the Road Runner will be modified to become a tilt adjustment. Also, he says the RANS "flip it" handlebar system will fit on the bike!

Chilidog the Actionbent Road Runner has undergone a major change. The new version is 26/20, no more carbon fork (now steel) and a front disc brake was added. The price remains the same. Take a look:

http://www.actionbent.com/RR.html
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Chilidog, I was just going over some older posts in this thread, and I saw your comment on TourEasy front wheels. EasyRacers sells two models of TourEasy. The SS version has a 451 in front and a 700C in back. The EX model has a 406 in front and a 26" (559) in the back. So changing wheels should be a matter of changing to the correct fork. What I'm not sure of is, will it adversely affect the steering geometry, i.e. rake and trail? I suspect the difference would be minimal, but it wouldn't hurt for anybody who is seriously thinking about doing it to check first.
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If you are a wealthy recumbent rider living the United States contact Frank at:
http://www.eurdis.com/
He will set you up with a recumbent with no risk like purchasing something expensive and used with no components.

If you need to buy one of those fast recumbents that is a copmplete bike ask Frank about a Jester.

The Jester is the ultimate race model from Challenge. The most stunning design feature of this bike is the way that the frame is formed from a single tube that is split and formed into an elegant wishbone. Both the design and construction are second to none. The bike cries out to go faster so we have included disc brakes as standard, to reign in the speed when you need to! The Jester has been the bike of choice for several world champions.

Seat Height 26 cm
10,2” Bottom Bracket Height ca. 58 cm
22,8” Wheelbase 127 cm
50” Seat Angle 23° Average Weight 11 Kg / 24 lbs

Frank has raced recumbents in the United States and he sells a trust worthy product. Be aware of those flash in the pan overpriced used carbon bicycles you see in the for sale ads.

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I've done this to one of my Tour Easys and spoke with Easy Racers before doing so. The fork is the same the for both wheel size application; the only difference is the brakes. The 406 uses a V-brake and the 451 uses a road caliber.
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