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Cyclebum 07-15-13 07:47 AM

SWB vs LWB-how slow can you go?
 
Following up previous thread, for those of you who have experience with both, which seems easier to track a line with at 3 mph? I'd guess the LWB. I have heard it's easier to restart on a hill.

BlazingPedals 07-15-13 11:09 AM

I've restarted my Baron lowracer going up a 15% hill, with barely a wobble. I've climbed with it at 2.4 mph. I don't have much experience with LWB, though; so I'm not qualified to compare.

Cyclebum 07-15-13 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BlazingPedals (Post 15853121)
I've restarted my Baron lowracer going up a 15% hill, with barely a wobble. I've climbed with it at 2.4 mph. I don't have much experience with LWB, though; so I'm not qualified to compare.

Guess that answers the question. If you've got enough experience on either, no difference.

Bit curious as I've bought my first SWB, a Lightening Thunderbolt. It's in Phx now, awaiting my arrival.

cplager 07-15-13 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BlazingPedals (Post 15853121)
I've restarted my Baron lowracer going up a 15% hill, with barely a wobble. I've climbed with it at 2.4 mph. I don't have much experience with LWB, though; so I'm not qualified to compare.

I've also climbed on my Cruzbikes around 2.5 mph quite comfortably.

Starting on large inclines on Cruzbikes is something of an art (that I haven't quite mastered). I'm very willing to believe that starting on LWB bikes is easier.

fietsbob 07-15-13 03:02 PM

Thinking of those shoes with rollers in their soles..

rydabent 07-15-13 09:05 PM

I can ride my Status 3 or 4 mph in a very straight line.

DanWho 07-16-13 12:30 AM

I've only had experience with swb, I'm still trying to perfect starting on flat level ground and stay on my half of the street, some of my wobbles get pretty wild. The short wheel bikes seem to have a learning curve, I'm looking at getting a LWB next and hope the learning curve isnt to steep.

iamtheeggman 07-16-13 07:01 AM

I ride in a city with lots of 10-20% grades that go for a quarter mile or better. On any of my bikes, I can slowly crawl up any of them. I have a V-Rex that's pretty twitchy at low-speeds, owing to the shorter-than-usual wheelbase, even by current SWB recumbent standards, and the praying hamster steering, but you can keep going at under 3 mph. On my 26/20 Giro and my 26/26 Volae, the longer wheelbases and the arms-out steering seem to even some of that out. However, I will say the more upright seating on the V-Rex makes it a better climber, since I can get my back into it and it is easier to start off uphill. The hard, laid-back seats on the Giro and the Volae don't quite give me the leverage I need to grind my way to the top. My only LWB experience is with a CycleGenius Raven (bought cheap) and, while handling is smoother at all speeds, up hill requires lower gears and (hopefully) more spinning and is slower going all the way up. It is more difficult to restart uphill because you can't jam back into the seat easily to push off. It is a joy once you make it over the top down the other side, however. Like everything about recumbents, your mileage may vary.

BlazingPedals 07-16-13 07:06 AM

I'd take it as a good rule of thumb that bikes with lower bottom brackets would make start-ups easier; at least during the learning phase. Lower bottom brackets would mean not having to lift the feet so far when taking off, and also would mean getting them down more quickly if there's problems. OTOH, that long wheelbase that gives a steady, smooth ride at speed also makes balancing at low speeds trickier.

Jeff Wills 07-17-13 10:40 PM

Most of my riding recently has been on my LWB Gold Rush, but I've ridden it on continuous 10-15% grades without a problem. Back when I was riding my SWB Lightning, I could nearly track-stand on it.

Cyclebum 07-18-13 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Wills (Post 15862651)
Most of my riding recently has been on my LWB Gold Rush, but I've ridden it on continuous 10-15% grades without a problem. Back when I was riding my SWB Lightning, I could nearly track-stand on it.

Lightening Thunderbolt? If so, I just bought a used one off BROL. My daughter who received it declared 'good ride.' I've not seen it. I read somewhere it's a good 'starter' SWB. Any thoughts/tips you have about this bike?

BlazingPedals 07-18-13 11:00 AM

I don't have any special knowledge; I just know that it's been described as a 'poor man's P-38' rather than a true starter recumbent. They're reported to be good handling, good climbing bents, just a little heavier than the P-38. I would not expect them to be as fast overall as a highracer; but they seem to move out pretty well based on the ones I see at day-tours. Lots of people never outgrow them.

Jeff Wills 07-18-13 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyclebum (Post 15863197)
Lightening Thunderbolt? If so, I just bought a used one off BROL. My daughter who received it declared 'good ride.' I've not seen it. I read somewhere it's a good 'starter' SWB. Any thoughts/tips you have about this bike?

Mine is a P-38. I've had it for 22 years.

JanMM 07-19-13 09:49 AM

Both my V-Rex and Screamer (which is sorta SWB setup) feel stable down to 3-4 mph uphill. The LWB-with-big-wheels-and-high-BB V3 starts to feel 'funny' at about 6 mph.

CHAS 07-31-13 04:34 PM

Try a trike


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