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    not you LordFoo, the e-bike. I don't dis anyone's speed, you never who's going to see you slogging a headwind with a heavy bag, or hell just being tired. Can't go fast fast all the time.

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    Umm, can I get it with a bit more racially diverse look? PERFECT: http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/06/1...hopped-family/

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    Quote Originally Posted by kergin View Post
    Depending on the Benotto, please consider not converting it. If there's a sticker with a white bird, or a sticker that says "Reynolds," or "Columbus," or anything that says, "Campagnolo," "Dura-Ace," or "600," abort conversion immediately.
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    Welcome Doggy.... Do not cut/grind anything from said old frame. Components removed should be saved...in case it gets put back together you will have a period correct ride.
    Hey guys, thanks for the responses. This forum seems to be very active.

    As for which benotto it is, I actually couldnt tell you as my uncle seems to have taken off all stickers, except for the one one the headtube. However, the components on the bike are:
    Campagnolo nuevo record 1984 Rear derailleur 5 Speed
    Shimano 600 Cranks and BB i assume
    Shimano 600 Front Derailleur
    Suntour Down tube shifters
    'Rino' brake levers
    Rino brakes
    and i believe the hubs are by 'Miche' but the spokes are rusted to sh*t so i need to purchase a new wheelset.
    and the rear cog is a shimano 600 5 speed.

    My uncle actually had purchased an 90's shimano 105 rear derailleur, so swapped the campy. Works like butter.

    Also, at the bottom of this frame, under the BB, theres a heart shaped cutting into it. Perhaps this could help identify the frame? I'll take pics and post them soon.

    Quote Originally Posted by trueno92 View Post
    hey doggy, this is trueno92 from being banned at redflagdeals.

    anyways, benottos come in 2 flavors. one is mexican fried icecream.

    benotto, like many bike companies sorta gave up the ghost and sold its brand off to a company in mexico that churned out many garbage bikes. think of them as the for-runner situation to the modern-day miele, compared to the vintage miele.

    fixed gear is for beater bikes so really, if that benotto has decent parts on it, like campy or suntour, then leave it and if it fits you, get used to riding with more speed.

    take that other pipe-bomb bay-crest bike and get a fixed rear wheel on that.

    making vintage road bikes into budget fixed gear bikes is telling the world u don't know anything about bikes and you lose respect points from
    1. fixed gear hippes
    2. road bike pansies
    3. vintage cyclist historians

    but u gain points in the crowd of guys that went from fart-can civics to bicycles.
    Haha hey trueno92! i remember you. Us over at RFD were wondering why the hell you were banned. Cool to see you're alive and kicking. lol. Anyway, regardign this bike, you suggest that i just repair it and put all the old components back on? and not convert to fixie?

    I want to convert to fixie because i already have a decent 14 speed shimano 105 groupo road bike and i want to experiment with fixies. hmm, i dont really want to restore it to its 10-speed form as the frame is heavier than my other road bike, which gets my primary usage. Hmm what to do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by doggy View Post
    Hey guys, thanks for the responses. This forum seems to be very active.

    As for which benotto it is, I actually couldnt tell you as my uncle seems to have taken off all stickers. However, the components on the bike are:
    Campagnolo nuevo record 1984 Rear derailleur 5 Speed
    Shimano 600 Cranks and BB i assume
    Shimano 600 Front Derailleur
    Suntour Downtube shifters
    and i beleive the hubs are by 'Miche' but the spokes are rusted to sh*t so i need to purchase a new wheelset.
    and the rear cog is a shimano 600 5 speed.

    My uncle actually had purchased an 90's shimano 105 rear derailleur, so swapped the campy. Works like butter.

    Also, at the bottom of this frame, under the BB, theres a heart shaped cutting into it. Perhaps this could help identify the frame? I'll take pics and post them soon.



    Haha hey trueno92! i remember you. Us over at RFD were wondering why the hell you were banned. Cool to see you're alive and kicking. lol. Anyway, regardign this bike, you suggest that i just repair it and put all the old components back on? and not convert to fixie?

    I want to convert to fixie because i already have a decent 14 speed shimano 105 groupo road bike and i want to experiment with fixies. hmm, i dont really want to restore it to its 10-speed form as the frame is heavier than my other road bike, which gets my primary usage. Hmm what to do?
    I would post a picture of the bike in Classic & Vintage. They should be able to tell you about the bike's worth. Make sure you post detailed photos of the lugs, BB, and rear drop outs.

    Here's a good question: do the rear dropouts have the words, "Campagnolo" or "Columbus" stamped into the steel? This is a really good indication that its a decent quality frame.

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    thanks for the response kergin. I'm too lazy to make another thread at the moment, but ive gone ahead and taken multiple photos. The rear dropouts do not say campagnolo or columbus, just 'BENOTTO'






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    Ah, I take it back - convert that thing.

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    LOL in agreement with kergin.

    looks to be a mid-entry level Benotto.... hard to date from those pics.. but with campy 84 + shimano 600.. hmm. Could possibly be made in mexico with that fade paintjob + shimano 600 group... benottos made in italy would probably not have had shimano, and if it was 600 level, it would have been pre 600, of the golden arrow/crane era.

    is the rear wheel valve stem schreader?

    are those indexed shimano 600 levers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trueno92 View Post
    LOL in agreement with kergin.

    looks to be a mid-entry level Benotto.... hard to date from those pics.. but with campy 84 + shimano 600.. hmm. Could possibly be made in mexico with that fade paintjob + shimano 600 group... benottos made in italy would probably not have had shimano, and if it was 600 level, it would have been pre 600, of the golden arrow/crane era.

    is the rear wheel valve stem schreader?

    are those indexed shimano 600 levers?
    Hey trueno92. what up?

    The old wheel set uses schraeder valves. i just swapped another wheelset onto it just so i could test it out. And the shifters are not indexed, friction suntour shifters.

    So since we're in agreement to convert to a fixie, where can i buy a cheap wheel set at?! cheap as in COST wise not build quality.

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    check out urbane or bikes on wheels

    something like a formula hub laced to an alex rim is a good value and durable, neither have any bling factor, but they are good quality for the price

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    i think if i remember correctly thats still like $80 a wheel after parts and labour.

    check out craigslist for fixed wheels.. wheelsets sometimes come up.

    don't worry about the front and just swap out the rear wheel for a fixed/flop hub.

    here is some CL toronto love

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    Quote Originally Posted by trueno92 View Post
    i think if i remember correctly thats still like $80 a wheel after parts and labour.

    check out craigslist for fixed wheels.. wheelsets sometimes come up.

    don't worry about the front and just swap out the rear wheel for a fixed/flop hub.

    here is some CL toronto love

    Miche fixed gear back hub sealed bearings
    shimano 600 front hub
    2 Alex rims double wall
    already built

    used but still in great condition
    100 dollars

    email me papillon_1281@hotmail.com


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    Hey, respect. THanks for the link. I've emailed him, heres hoping for a response and acceptance of my offer!

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    that or else urbane would be a good choice as forementioned. I know the kind folk here have definitely offered up wheels once in a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trueno92 View Post
    if i taco again, i'll stop by the footware store lookin for ya!
    ha ha ha have we talked before?? Or do you just see me locked up there all the time ??

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    Can you use a bmx freewheel for a single speed conversion? A friend is doing a conversion and wants something simple. Can I use my normal casette removal tools to put it back on or is it a new tool?
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    Quote Originally Posted by iherald View Post
    Can you use a bmx freewheel for a single speed conversion? A friend is doing a conversion and wants something simple. Can I use my normal casette removal tools to put it back on or is it a new tool?
    If the hub is a freewheel type, than yes. Chainline can be a problem tho. If the wheel you plan to use has a freewheel mounted on it than you will need the appropriate tool to remove it...won't be a Shimano Cassette removal tool. Installing the new BMX freewheel on the hub doesn't require any tools...just thread er' on and use the chain on the bike or a chainwhip to tighten er' down. If the wheel is a cassette wheel you need a bunch of spacers and a single cog...preferably a SS specific one. Most shops sell em...cheap ones usually cost about $7-8.
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    I think the bike has a 5 speed cassette on it right now, so I'm hopeful I can use my shimano cassette removal tool and then thread on freewheel.
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    You know, for the longest time I assumed "good tire = no flats" and rode a couple sets of Vittoria Zaffiros and was pretty happy with them. I finally got a slightly better tire in a set of Vittoria Rubinos and I can't get over how much smoother and faster they roll. I figured they'd be a little better, but damn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elTwitcho View Post
    You know, for the longest time I assumed "good tire = no flats" and rode a couple sets of Vittoria Zaffiros and was pretty happy with them. I finally got a slightly better tire in a set of Vittoria Rubinos and I can't get over how much smoother and faster they roll. I figured they'd be a little better, but damn.
    I can't say this was noticeable when I changed between those two tires. The only truly smooth tires I've used so far have been folding Continental GatorSkins. Don't get me wrong - the Rubino is a fine tire, but I noticed that they cut really easily on our streets.

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    ....and the cut stays open.. i do like it as a tire though. I'm not going to say why, lest I tempt fate. Don't you say it!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by elTwitcho View Post
    You know, for the longest time I assumed "good tire = no flats" and rode a couple sets of Vittoria Zaffiros and was pretty happy with them. I finally got a slightly better tire in a set of Vittoria Rubinos and I can't get over how much smoother and faster they roll. I figured they'd be a little better, but damn.
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    i had been skidding on my rear rubino and i have noticed i am getting 1"-2" cuts thru them..

    following with what cavernmech said, yes, the bmx freewheel will be like 1cm off chainline unless u have chainstay clearance to get that front chainring well behind the spider.

    tdot-miele: nah i just see ur bike locked up a couple times when i was dodging traffic..

    speaking of which, i hit every green light down yonge between eglington to davenport this morning, and for most intersections, i'd take the dotted center line since most cars were on the right turning right onto a sidestreet. south of davenport was a parkinglot and right lane is a tight lane getting caught between portly hybrids....

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    Quote Originally Posted by iherald View Post
    I think the bike has a 5 speed cassette on it right now, so I'm hopeful I can use my shimano cassette removal tool and then thread on freewheel.
    Your vernacular is a bit off. The hub is either a freewheel style...where the whole ratchet mechanism and sprockets are one unit...threading on the hub, or a cassette where the ratchet mechanism is built into the hub and the sprockets slide on and are held in place with a lockring or the first position cog. If it is 5 speeds, chances are it is a freewheel style in which case all you need to do is remove the 5 speed and replace with BMX freewheel. Expect the chainline won't be perfect. Even if it is a Shimano brand freewheel resist the urge to use a shallow cassette style remover to get it off. Freewheel tools engage much deeper in the freewheel body ensuring neither a stripped freewheel nor tool.
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    yo K...still dreamin bout that viva you guys have in the window...that bike looks tight!

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    ...and thus ends today's lesson unless the professor has more time on his hands. Stay tuned for more Sunshine Seminar with CavernMech the wrench's wrench and all round encyclopedic knowledge base.

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    ^^ From what I see, he's still online, which leads me to ask:

    K, anything I should know or be afraid of when it comes to Wound-Up forks or the Bontrager-branded equivalent?

    Also, is it just me, or does Kona have a heck of a lot of overlap in their MTB lineup?

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