Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > > >

Rides and Races A place for posting group rides, races, and regional threads for the fixed gear and single speed forum.

User Tag List

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 05-09-06, 10:52 AM   #5301
cavit8
Shiftless bum
 
cavit8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Ottawa, Ontario
Bikes: Ciocc fixed, Raleigh record winter bike, Bianchi Grizzly SS, Pinarello Surprise, Raleigh Twenty, Bridgestone Picnica, various sundry bits and pieces...
Posts: 2,671
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Deadly Encounter

A 42-year-old cyclist was killed Monday night, after he was hit while riding his bike at Cawthra and Atwater north of the Lakeshore in Mississauga by a car making a left hand turn.

The victim has been identified as Shin-Fang Ho. He suffered serious head trauma and was pronounced dead at the scene.

Police had the area closed for hours just after 9:30pm as they investigated the tragedy. A 17-year-old driver hasn't been charged but cops are appealing for witnesses.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by operator
truneo that tuned park internal nipple wrench work ??
cavit8 is offline  
Old 05-09-06, 10:55 AM   #5302
STEEKER
dam this is fun !
 
STEEKER's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: on my bike ! in Toronto !!
Bikes: Hurricane Low Racer ! and a Masi
Posts: 1,988
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by cavit8
Deadly Encounter

A 42-year-old cyclist was killed Monday night, after he was hit while riding his bike at Cawthra and Atwater north of the Lakeshore in Mississauga by a car making a left hand turn.

The victim has been identified as Shin-Fang Ho. He suffered serious head trauma and was pronounced dead at the scene.

Police had the area closed for hours just after 9:30pm as they investigated the tragedy. A 17-year-old driver hasn't been charged but cops are appealing for witnesses.
Typical eh like I said if you want to kill some one in Canada use a car and you'll get away with it,, another point is if you just so much as lay a finger on a mountain bike cop you a*s is in jail
STEEKER is offline  
Old 05-09-06, 11:05 AM   #5303
jeremywhitehorn
In Velo Veritas
 
jeremywhitehorn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Toronto
Bikes: Menonite black urbanite, probably enough spare parts to make anther one.
Posts: 3,013
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by cavernmech
Just make sure its not the Toronto Fixed Gear Group.....I hear those guys are tough.
yeah, but like, uh, west side story tough. we'll fight you...in dance form.
jeremywhitehorn is offline  
Old 05-09-06, 11:07 AM   #5304
jeremywhitehorn
In Velo Veritas
 
jeremywhitehorn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Toronto
Bikes: Menonite black urbanite, probably enough spare parts to make anther one.
Posts: 3,013
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by somnambulant
You and me both.

Anyone doing any riding this week in the evenings?

cavernmech: I think I might take you up on the air zoundz test-drive. It seems like people are driving like even bigger idiots than usual in the past couple of weeks.
i could do a night ride, shout if you're up for one. tonight's good. so's thursday.
jeremywhitehorn is offline  
Old 05-09-06, 11:07 AM   #5305
Shiznaz
Gone, but not forgotten
 
Shiznaz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Toronto
Bikes: spicer fixie, Haro BMX, cyclops track, Soma Double Cross, KHS Flite 100
Posts: 4,509
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
in BIKE dance form! Push it to the limit!
Shiznaz is offline  
Old 05-09-06, 11:17 AM   #5306
jeremywhitehorn
In Velo Veritas
 
jeremywhitehorn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Toronto
Bikes: Menonite black urbanite, probably enough spare parts to make anther one.
Posts: 3,013
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by somnambulant
re protec: I wonder what affords the most protection in a car vs. cyclist collision though. I mean, cycling helmets are obviously designed to cushion an impact and totally deform (ie. crush). but, they have less coverage. This is opposed to a "hard" helmet which is designed to withstand multiple impacts and not deform, but has considerably more coverage. Do you know what I mean?

Personally, when I look at my helmet I wonder what help it would be in a collision with the car, unless the car hit me directly on top of the noggin. I guess it protects the "important parts"... but wouldn't you think they're designed more for a cyclist taking a spill by themselves vs. colliding with a car?

Ugh. I'm just getting paranoid now.
no, you're right, they are to protect you against GREATER injury, not injury alltogether. a cyclist friend of mine was hit by a van last year on burnamthrope rd at speed. essentially, he got clipped by the van's side mirror and spun around, whacked his head on the side of the van then on the pavement. he ended up breaking his hip and with a concussion. the helmet was obviously destroyed but according to the doctors, he would have suffered permanent brain damage if it were not for the helmet, so yes it is not a catch all but in cases like that it does prevent further injury from contact with autos. and yes, cavernmech, he is a toronto fixed group tough guy like me (okay more than me).
jeremywhitehorn is offline  
Old 05-09-06, 11:30 AM   #5307
operator
cab horn
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Toronto
Bikes: 1987 Bianchi Campione
Posts: 28,306
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Those full face/protec helmets offer more protection especially for the back of the head where the roadie styles don't cover.

They are also safer because they look dorkier, there aren't any aer0 snag points on the rear of the helmet (when you rotate head on the ground it doesn't catch). When I crashed last year, I experienced that first hand.

Of course it pays off more to just pay extra attention to all the hazards on the road. Edit: For greatest protection I think you'd need to wear one of those suits that one guy developed for fighting bears. Or be Robocop.
operator is offline  
Old 05-09-06, 11:40 AM   #5308
operator
cab horn
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Toronto
Bikes: 1987 Bianchi Campione
Posts: 28,306
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by STEEKER
another point is if you just so much as lay a finger on a mountain bike cop you a*s is in jail
I think that's true for any cop.
operator is offline  
Old 05-09-06, 11:40 AM   #5309
somnambulant
So I says to Mable I says
 
somnambulant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Toronto
Bikes: '05 Urbanite Fixie, '06 Lemond Croix de Fer, '06 Jamis Dragon Pro, '07 IRO Bikeforums Track, '07 Planet-X Uncle John
Posts: 4,947
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by TRaffic Jammer
dang ..... a medal for this man....
I 'm gonna script me a letter.
^^^grandpa simpson
somnambulant is offline  
Old 05-09-06, 11:41 AM   #5310
TRaffic Jammer
Dances With Cars
 
TRaffic Jammer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Toronto, Canada
Bikes: TBL Onyx Pro(ss converted), Pake SS (starting to look kinda pimped)
Posts: 10,527
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by operator
Of course it pays off more to just pay extra attention to all the hazards on the road.
You are correct there. But how much of the driving responsibility is to be offloaded to everyone else on the road to AVOID the cars? I would feel better if the drivers came to the realization that the road isn't theirs in it's entirety. Wait for the letter....soon come man..
TRaffic Jammer is offline  
Old 05-09-06, 11:44 AM   #5311
somnambulant
So I says to Mable I says
 
somnambulant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Toronto
Bikes: '05 Urbanite Fixie, '06 Lemond Croix de Fer, '06 Jamis Dragon Pro, '07 IRO Bikeforums Track, '07 Planet-X Uncle John
Posts: 4,947
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by TRaffic Jammer
Wait for the letter....soon come man..

"Sincerely,
Ben Matlock"


edit: now I have the Matlock theme song stuck in my head.
somnambulant is offline  
Old 05-09-06, 12:01 PM   #5312
operator
cab horn
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Toronto
Bikes: 1987 Bianchi Campione
Posts: 28,306
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by TRaffic Jammer
You are correct there. But how much of the driving responsibility is to be offloaded to everyone else on the road to AVOID the cars? I would feel better if the drivers came to the realization that the road isn't theirs in it's entirety. Wait for the letter....soon come man..
Honestly, I personally don't believe that is ever going to happen in Toronto.
operator is offline  
Old 05-09-06, 12:03 PM   #5313
somnambulant
So I says to Mable I says
 
somnambulant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Toronto
Bikes: '05 Urbanite Fixie, '06 Lemond Croix de Fer, '06 Jamis Dragon Pro, '07 IRO Bikeforums Track, '07 Planet-X Uncle John
Posts: 4,947
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I think I'm just going to put that cycling video from Copenhagen on repeat and cry myself to sleep.
somnambulant is offline  
Old 05-09-06, 12:03 PM   #5314
TRaffic Jammer
Dances With Cars
 
TRaffic Jammer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Toronto, Canada
Bikes: TBL Onyx Pro(ss converted), Pake SS (starting to look kinda pimped)
Posts: 10,527
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
To: The Honourable Mayor Miller, City Council

In 2006 there have been 4 cyclist deaths by car so far. This represents the number for the entirely of the previous year. What are you doing about it?

I ride into work everyday of the year, and have been for several years. From the rhetoric spewing out of City Hall, I thought for years this was a good thing for many reasons. Was I wrong? Has an open season on cyclists been declared that I am unaware of? Is it a crime to ride my bike on Queen Street? If it isn't why do I keep having drivers narrowly avoiding me in their zeal to get to the next red light?

I am a VERY experienced traffic cyclist, I have been riding in urban traffic for the better part of 20 years. Several of those as a messenger in Montreal. I have NEVER been this afraid to ride to work EVER.
This morning a car had to grind me into the sidewalk at 30kms/hr so he might pass the streetcar. I may have broken my hand pounding on his car, but it didn't matter to him. He just kept moving me over with his front bumper. Had I been a less experienced cyclist I may be dead now. The real rub is that if the driver had WAITED 10-15 seconds, either I would have been past the streetcar or the streetcar past me. As it is we were in different lanes.
I didn't know it was legal for a car to pass a bike within 6 inches. Ever have this happen? It's harrowing to say the least even for experienced riders.

I asked a police officer a few weeks ago about the legally of riding in Toronto. He told me I was allowed to occupy the ENTIRETY of the curb lane as a cyclist. Is this true? Drivers certainly don't think so. Has anyone told the drivers? Did you, as a counsellor and a driver in this City know?
I'll bet you didn't, and the way I grew up is that ignorance of the law is not an excuse. Drivers still think we should be on the sidewalks for crying out loud, or that foot and a half wide stripe of filth and broken glass beside the curb. I travel at 30-40kms easily, I stop at lights and stop signs. Why is it ok to kill me because I'm on a bike?

I'm also a licensed driver and I have never had the mindset that I owned the road. I share it with EVERYONE last time I checked.

I SHARE it with drunks staggering across the road.
I SHARE it with old ladies having trouble crossing fast enough.
I SHARE it with kids using the crosswalks.
I SHARE it with cyclists, no matter how many, how they ride, or even if it's rush hour or not.
I EVEN SHARE it with electric scooters using the curb lane like a bike should be allowed to.

It has never in my wildest dreams occurred to me to squeeze past a bike with so little margin for error that if the biker fell they would more than likely die or be seriously injured. I would consider this assault with a deadly weapon, aggressive AND careless driving.

Cyclists aren't using fuel, they aren't causing pollution, they aren't causing potholes. They are, however, our best bet that one day maybe every nice sunny summer day won't be a smog day.

It's unfortunate that as there are more and more cyclists on the road due to high fuel costs and the nicer weather that:

The police certainly haven't been briefed to do, oh say, ANYTHING about driver attitudes and their carelessness. A city-wide educational campaign hasn't been thought of, involving street signs, the media, the news, etc.
Driver education is the key to this issue, as it's them who are killing people. If a bike turns in front of my car I press the brake, and avoid, just let I'm supposed to.

It's odd that the cyclists know the law of the road better than the self proclaimed owners of the road.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? HOW MANY MORE HAVE TO DIE?
Do we want bike/car combat zone created on our streets?
I don't think we do, but your collective inaction is saying otherwise.


SO that is the letter I'm about to fire off.
I'm looking for editor emails for both print and TV news as well.
TRaffic Jammer is offline  
Old 05-09-06, 12:06 PM   #5315
somnambulant
So I says to Mable I says
 
somnambulant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Toronto
Bikes: '05 Urbanite Fixie, '06 Lemond Croix de Fer, '06 Jamis Dragon Pro, '07 IRO Bikeforums Track, '07 Planet-X Uncle John
Posts: 4,947
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
typo detector:
If a bike turns in front of my car I press the brake, and avoid, just let I'm supposed to.
Do we a want bike/car combat zone created on our streets?

also:
Speaking of the Copenhagen video, you might want to include that URL as well:
http://www.vejpark.kk.dk/byenstrafik...y/uk/index.htm
somnambulant is offline  
Old 05-09-06, 12:08 PM   #5316
operator
cab horn
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Toronto
Bikes: 1987 Bianchi Campione
Posts: 28,306
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Hey! Go redesign our crappy school website!
operator is offline  
Old 05-09-06, 12:32 PM   #5317
TRaffic Jammer
Dances With Cars
 
TRaffic Jammer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Toronto, Canada
Bikes: TBL Onyx Pro(ss converted), Pake SS (starting to look kinda pimped)
Posts: 10,527
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by somnambulant
typo detector:
If a bike turns in front of my car I press the brake, and avoid, just let I'm supposed to.
Do we a want bike/car combat zone created on our streets?

also:
Speaking of the Copenhagen video, you might want to include that URL as well:
http://www.vejpark.kk.dk/byenstrafik...y/uk/index.htm

edits done thankyou

STEEKER I got my first reply back ...... are they all going to be the same?

Last edited by TRaffic Jammer; 05-09-06 at 01:19 PM.
TRaffic Jammer is offline  
Old 05-09-06, 01:48 PM   #5318
operator
cab horn
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Toronto
Bikes: 1987 Bianchi Campione
Posts: 28,306
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Eyefloater you have a copy of still we ride?
operator is offline  
Old 05-09-06, 01:54 PM   #5319
STEEKER
dam this is fun !
 
STEEKER's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: on my bike ! in Toronto !!
Bikes: Hurricane Low Racer ! and a Masi
Posts: 1,988
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
TRaffic Jammer . I hope you included how the stuff I mentioned in the previos post ? it really got some reply's anddddddddd dam I 've been asking this for more than a week but is anyone going to ride? today/this afternoon/night
STEEKER is offline  
Old 05-09-06, 01:59 PM   #5320
TRaffic Jammer
Dances With Cars
 
TRaffic Jammer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Toronto, Canada
Bikes: TBL Onyx Pro(ss converted), Pake SS (starting to look kinda pimped)
Posts: 10,527
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I did include... I've gotten two "thank-you....your concerns will be brought to the attention....
I'm limping home tonight, I may be off the bike for a bit.

OH jeez reread.... I didn't add you're text mind you. Opps

You've got to be a special kind of ********, as a motorist, to hit someone turning left.
TRaffic Jammer is offline  
Old 05-09-06, 02:04 PM   #5321
STEEKER
dam this is fun !
 
STEEKER's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: on my bike ! in Toronto !!
Bikes: Hurricane Low Racer ! and a Masi
Posts: 1,988
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by TRaffic Jammer
I did include... I've gotten two "thank-you....your concerns will be brought to the attention....
I'm limping home tonight, I may be off the bike for a bit.

OH jeez reread.... I didn't add you're text mind you. Opps
dam thats all you got ,,one that was sent to me had me legaley bound not to copy or post it but it did'nt say I could'nt talk about it my spelling sucks
STEEKER is offline  
Old 05-09-06, 02:25 PM   #5322
STEEKER
dam this is fun !
 
STEEKER's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: on my bike ! in Toronto !!
Bikes: Hurricane Low Racer ! and a Masi
Posts: 1,988
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
TRaffic Jammer I could pull you home in my bike trailer if you want
STEEKER is offline  
Old 05-09-06, 02:33 PM   #5323
TRaffic Jammer
Dances With Cars
 
TRaffic Jammer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Toronto, Canada
Bikes: TBL Onyx Pro(ss converted), Pake SS (starting to look kinda pimped)
Posts: 10,527
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
no thanks I still gotta ride but I might not be able to grip the bar with my left.
I sense *shutters* a path ride. Maybe I'll get legalized by another councilor.

I really think it's time to ramp it up, before too many more die.
TRaffic Jammer is offline  
Old 05-09-06, 03:05 PM   #5324
STEEKER
dam this is fun !
 
STEEKER's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: on my bike ! in Toronto !!
Bikes: Hurricane Low Racer ! and a Masi
Posts: 1,988
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
awww come on , you could give people the royal wave from the trailer as we drive by
STEEKER is offline  
Old 05-09-06, 03:18 PM   #5325
Ill Mitch
Fast and Danger
 
Ill Mitch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Toronto, Canada
Bikes: A bunch
Posts: 1,056
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by operator
Eyefloater you have a copy of still we ride?
Here's a link to the torrent file if you want to download it.

http://www.torrentspy.com/torrent/50...f_Police_State
Ill Mitch is offline  
Closed Thread


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:47 PM.