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Old 09-13-06, 02:30 PM   #12526
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ps. I've seen you whizzing by a few times lately. Each time I haven't had a chance to say hi though (going the opposite way, in my car, etc)
downtown or up near st clair? i'd give you a honk if i knew your car description (though for some reason i think you drive a volvo).

In other news, I've been really accident-prone this week: on monday I fell down a flight of stairs at my apt and on the weekend i fell turning in front of a bus near spadina/bloor (martino of blog-fame saw me fall from behind).

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Speaking of which.. I'm going to see American Hardcore tonight, and I'm curious as to what sort of folks will turn up. A doc about hardcore music with an $18 ticket? Seems wrong. (then again, I'll be there, so I guess I'm going against my punk ethic )
I got a free ticket from a friend who's volunteering at the festival...I might not be able to use it, so if anyone is interested pm me.
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Old 09-13-06, 02:43 PM   #12527
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i think the soma double cross would be considered an all purpose bike; most CX frames i'm familiar with are essentiall road bikes with cantis and clearance for mud. some of them don't even have bottle braze ons! let alone mounts for racks. still i like the soma line; i'd consider buying one if i were in need of that type of thing...

doesn't urbane have a touring / crossish frame available?
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Old 09-13-06, 02:47 PM   #12528
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downtown or up near st clair? i'd give you a honk if i knew your car description (though for some reason i think you drive a volvo).
Once on St. Clair, another time.. umm.. I can't remember where. Somewhere downtown I think.

me == dark blue vw jetta:

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Old 09-13-06, 02:51 PM   #12529
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this touring geometry talk interetes me. i always assumed that the major difference between a cross and touring frame was not only the heel clearance for panniers and braze ons but also the heft of the frame. aren't steel touring touring frames tripple butted like mountain bikes?
Butted just means the tube wall tapers to a thinner thickness in the center of the tube. Double butted....2 wall thicknesses...triple butted...3 wall thicknesses. True touring bikes will often use a tubeset that has thicker wall thickness regardless of whether it is double or triple.
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Old 09-13-06, 02:56 PM   #12530
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Babel and Death of an American President have been by far the best movies I've seen so far, but the new Gordon Pinsent film is supposed to be suburb as well, as is the one featuring Peter O'toole.
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Old 09-13-06, 02:57 PM   #12531
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I love Frosh. I grow up and become sensible and they stay annoying and immature!
Just when you thought your year was bad, it's worse the closer you get to first year glibbness, lets-get-a-4.0-average, drink-like-a-moron and revel in the good life type attitude, free from your parents slash I-can-do-whatever-I-want.

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Old 09-13-06, 03:02 PM   #12532
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Old 09-13-06, 03:20 PM   #12533
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2006 Soma Double cross 54cm 4.2lbs
1986 Trek 520 56cm 4.55lbs

This is for frame only (I could only find a weight for the 1986 trek 520)

To me that difference is negligible and given the advances in tubing over the last 20 years I would be willing to bet the double cross is a stronger frame.
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Old 09-13-06, 03:23 PM   #12534
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Butted just means the tube wall tapers to a thinner thickness in the center of the tube. Double butted....2 wall thicknesses...triple butted...3 wall thicknesses. True touring bikes will often use a tubeset that has thicker wall thickness regardless of whether it is double or triple.
so a triple butted tubeset will taper to a thinner wall diameter near the centre of the tube?

thanks for the use of the pump yesterday btw...
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Old 09-13-06, 03:25 PM   #12535
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The strongest are just 4130 gas pipe frames but they are heavy and no fun. (I'm looking at you, urbane and pake)
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Old 09-13-06, 03:31 PM   #12536
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Once on St. Clair, another time.. umm.. I can't remember where. Somewhere downtown I think.

me == dark blue vw jetta:


i thought: you == burgundy mini-buggy-like thing.
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Wes really drives a Lada
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Old 09-13-06, 03:59 PM   #12538
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so a triple butted tubeset will taper to a thinner wall diameter near the centre of the tube?

thanks for the use of the pump yesterday btw...
Yeah...so a triple butted tube would have say 0.8mm ends...0.4mm center with 0.6 separating
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Old 09-13-06, 05:18 PM   #12539
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The Soma Double Cross is only 1cm shorter in wheelbase than the Trek 520, even though its chainstays are 2.5 cm shorter. This is good in my books as I prefer a longer front end and a snappier back end, but I hope I dont' need that extra inch of heel clearance. The Soma has a longer top tube and head tube which are also good in my books. At this point it seems more a debate on price, tubeset and colours, and the Soma wins on all of those points (Soma available used vs. Trek 520 new, tange prestige tubing vs. Trek butted Cro-Moly, british racing green vs. black). I don't think the Kona Jake, Specialized Tricross or Fuji Cross Pro have as many touring-friendly features as the Soma Double Cross so that kind of rules them out as well.
A couple of comments from my touring experience. Using a 58cm frame as a point of comparison, the Soma has a top tube length of almost 2 cm longer than the Trek, which would be a plus for me. The Soma comes in 10 different sizes in 2cm increments, 5 for the Trek which may be useful for you. Chainstay length is better on the trek, 2.5 cm longer than the Soma. Nothing bites more than hitting your heels when riding or having a tough time descending properly because you can't get your pedals level without hitting a bag. Gearing on the stock Trek looks a little high. The 52 front is nice for wheeling about when you're unloaded, but for self-support touring, it may not be as useful on a loaded bike depending on your terrain. Have a good look a the availalbe gear ratios. The Bontrager components have come under some critique on roadbikereviews.

And although this is the greatest thread in the history of BF, you may want to post something in the touring forum.
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Old 09-13-06, 06:10 PM   #12540
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Rob, $12 for the stem - not $20.
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Rob, $12 for the stem - not $20.
Yup, i'll be down tomorrow... or Friday. Thanks eyefloater.
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Do you have the GG pics up anywhere? or are you gonna put them up somewhere?

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Old 09-13-06, 07:26 PM   #12543
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[QUOTE=somnambulant]Speaking of which.. I'm going to see American Hardcore tonight, and I'm curious as to what sort of folks will turn up. A doc about hardcore music with an $18 ticket? Seems wrong. (then again, I'll be there, so I guess I'm going against my punk ethic )

So had i came back on the train for this i'd be over 100.00 wow.I read some, reviews pretty fast paced & crazy, perfect for peeps with A.D.D. CANT WAIT TO SEE IT.
Cheers
who's to say the people who will show up? middle aged overweight white people,just a guess!
ha ha
Edit: I like bikes.

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Rob...I find your cynicism about youth very amusing.
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The strongest are just 4130 gas pipe frames but they are heavy and no fun. (I'm looking at you, urbane and pake)
indeed

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i thought: you == burgundy mini-buggy-like thing.
if I had a garage to put one in maybe.. it'd be a sin to drive that in the Winter (it's a Fiat btw)
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Right now I teach Hospitality/Tourism (food prep, baking, nutrition, safety/sanitation etc.) at Danforth Colligiate and Technical Institute. Basic program that leads into the grade 12 college prep classes. Fun stuff. Never knew that you could swear in class and basically get away with it. Nice to have bouncers..I mean hall monitors at school to escort those who have requested a trip to see the V.P.'s. Last place I worked in T.O was the Granite Club. Did the old G.B. appreticeship program like 10 years ago. Siegfrieds still open?
yes sigfried's is still open; i suppose it's there less for the revenue and more for the students to practice. you'll have to point me where to go to look for apprenticeships. i needs to work!
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i dunno if anyone has seen them (not the greatest quality, esp. steve anthony's pieces)...CMWC '95 toronto. i remember checking it out, and still being able to buy upper canada beers direct from the brewery (along with seemingly endless samples if you were nice to the staff).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCMFd...elated&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGlpN...elated&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIR53...elated&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuQuX...elated&search=
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i dunno if anyone has seen them (not the greatest quality, esp. steve anthony's pieces)...CMWC '95 toronto. i remember checking it out, and still being able to buy upper canada beers direct from the brewery (along with seemingly endless samples if you were nice to the staff).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCMFd...elated&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGlpN...elated&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIR53...elated&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuQuX...elated&search=
Thats hilarious. I have a copy of that film here at the shop. I wonder who put it up on youtube? I am actually in a few shots. I am FAMOUS YAY!
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Interesting how many people worked w/ backpacks back then.
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Well that '92 messenger vid in the states had people using front baskets on bikes. One strap bag = recent?
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http://www.bikeforums.net/touring/228238-chainstay-length-question.html#post3049835

I asked over at the touring forum. Hopefully I will get some pearly nuggets of wisdom by tomorrow. Thanks cam, keith, wes, gboy, ggy and jeremies!

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