March of the Road Discs continues...
04-02-15, 10:51 AM
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But you said "no doubt" they can be installed in a way that makes them squeal. There is no other different way to install them. They're discs, they're going to squeal. That's not some internet myth, it's just the way it is.
04-02-15, 10:53 AM
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Interesting that mine don't squeal then. Either I'm lying, or you're pulling your "facts" from a dark smelly place. It certainly is possible to incorrectly align a caliper and rotor with poor installation technique, to use an inappropriate pad, a crap rotor, etc. etc.
04-02-15, 10:55 AM
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I have six sets of BB7 MTB disc bikes to maintain (mine and my family's bikes), a set of BB7 road and one set of Shimano SLX. My friends have SRAM roadie discs and BB7 road disc, most MTB are running various Shimano MTB disc or Hopes. You're just arguing for the sake of it, nothing you've claimed is true for any rider/LBS with half a clue. Your forum handle is perfect, too lazy to figure it out....
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...q=bb7%20squeal
Never had SLX's, but here you go:
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...c+brake+squeal
I'm not arguing for the sake of arguing. I'm saying discs brakes squeal. That's why I don't like them. And when you people claim yours don't I simply find out that they do. If that hurts your feelings then I'm sorry.
04-02-15, 10:56 AM
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Finally, someone that knows DEFINITIVELY what they're talking about. Thank you Lazyass. Do you think you could pop in sooner next time to settle everything?
04-02-15, 10:59 AM
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I've seen a lot more interest (i.e., people asking me about them) from less experienced cyclists. The disc brake format is a far more familiar mechanism in general and people are used to them being the preferred solution in other modes of transportation.
The more experienced cyclists I know generally are already familiar with them from their mountain bikes and already have a fair understanding of the tradeoffs between rim and disc brakes. And some of them have opted for discs on their new road bikes, mostly for wet weather riding.
I don't understand the emotional reaction that some people seem to have to this topic. If you're going to get upset about something, pick something worthwhile.
The more experienced cyclists I know generally are already familiar with them from their mountain bikes and already have a fair understanding of the tradeoffs between rim and disc brakes. And some of them have opted for discs on their new road bikes, mostly for wet weather riding.
I don't understand the emotional reaction that some people seem to have to this topic. If you're going to get upset about something, pick something worthwhile.
04-02-15, 11:00 AM
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04-02-15, 11:08 AM
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No, you find out that they can.
I could use your method thusly: you could claim to be a drill sergeant who wasn't dishonorably discharged. I would google "drill+sergeant+dishonorable+discharge" and when you claim that you weren't dishonorably discharged, I simply find out that you were.
Your logic is poor even by 41 standards.
I could use your method thusly: you could claim to be a drill sergeant who wasn't dishonorably discharged. I would google "drill+sergeant+dishonorable+discharge" and when you claim that you weren't dishonorably discharged, I simply find out that you were.
Your logic is poor even by 41 standards.
04-02-15, 11:13 AM
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So you're in agreement? I think that all svtmike is doing is use the same tactic anti-disc posters have used. He just turns it around. I know cyclists....
I agree with him, the emotion on this development in braking is most uncharacteristic with the more level-headed debate that generally pervades this forum. Haha.
I agree with him, the emotion on this development in braking is most uncharacteristic with the more level-headed debate that generally pervades this forum. Haha.
04-02-15, 11:14 AM
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I made the observation your handle fits you perfectly and now you're all butt-hurt? I don't need to do any reading, if your disc brakes squeel, it's because you're too lazy-assed to figure it out or find a good LBS. Hey, @Lazyass, you're lazy-assed, not that there's anything wrong with that!
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No, you find out that they can.
I could use your method thusly: you could claim to be a drill sergeant who wasn't dishonorably discharged. I would google "drill+sergeant+dishonorable+discharge" and when you claim that you weren't dishonorably discharged, I simply find out that you were.
Your logic is poor even by 41 standards.
I could use your method thusly: you could claim to be a drill sergeant who wasn't dishonorably discharged. I would google "drill+sergeant+dishonorable+discharge" and when you claim that you weren't dishonorably discharged, I simply find out that you were.
Your logic is poor even by 41 standards.
Now shut up and give me a hug
04-02-15, 11:16 AM
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Some of the anti-disc posters seem to be sharing their imaginations more than anything else.
04-02-15, 11:17 AM
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04-02-15, 11:19 AM
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Yeah, the "boy" name, over the internet, is rather dangerous but I'm not offended. The fact of the matter is, hey it's me using that phrase this time, I am a JR and I thought you'd been clever to have guessed it. Haha.
04-02-15, 11:22 AM
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When you go off what others have to say, and I most certainly include myself among the others, you have to weigh that against what you also know.
You know that the evolution of products typically starts with function and evolves with form. (Hence, this is why form-over-function is often derided.) So you know that disc brakes will evolve, that's not a question of if but rather when.
Swish, swish, isn't something I'm familiar with. I have Avid BB7's on my daily rider, a Kinesis Decade Tripster, and have ridden them for three years.
You bring up an interesting point when discussing pacelining. You don't say what would be problematic about pacelining with disc brakes so I'm left to guess what you have in mind. Can you clarify?
People switch to helmet use long before the TdF riders took the up. Those guys don't follow the same path as most riders.
You know that the evolution of products typically starts with function and evolves with form. (Hence, this is why form-over-function is often derided.) So you know that disc brakes will evolve, that's not a question of if but rather when.
Swish, swish, isn't something I'm familiar with. I have Avid BB7's on my daily rider, a Kinesis Decade Tripster, and have ridden them for three years.
You bring up an interesting point when discussing pacelining. You don't say what would be problematic about pacelining with disc brakes so I'm left to guess what you have in mind. Can you clarify?
People switch to helmet use long before the TdF riders took the up. Those guys don't follow the same path as most riders.
Using a helmet doesn't require a complete new bike that also makes all your current wheels obsolete....so I don't see the analogy.
My xt brakes swish on my mountain bike, which is only a few months old...a metallic sound, not always happening but it tends to happen when they get wet or muddy. I've also had to readjust them several times because the front would squeal unless I was usig significant braking force. This is the kind of braking I would use on a road bike..where I'm not trying to stop the bike but just scrub some speed, so not significantly crushing the brakes. This is a challenge for the engineers so we will see what the future holds...maybe as simple as using a bit more space between the pad and rotor when the brake is not activated to leave room for water and muck.
I'm not saying there is a problem with pacelining and discs, I'm saying that is the activity that these riders are mostly engaged in with their road bikes and that is only one reason why they don't see the need for "more powerful" brakes like discs.
So you're in agreement? I think that all svtmike is doing is use the same tactic anti-disc posters have used. He just turns it around. I know cyclists....
I agree with him, the emotion on this development in braking is most uncharacteristic with the more level-headed debate that generally pervades this forum. Haha.
I agree with him, the emotion on this development in braking is most uncharacteristic with the more level-headed debate that generally pervades this forum. Haha.
04-02-15, 11:22 AM
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