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Old 04-20-15, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 3alarmer
...here in my environment, were I to avoid riding in the wind I would rarely ride. Do you have deep V aero sorts of wheels on your bike ? Those can make it harder.
Nah, I got rid of them. Riding 22 mm deep Al clinchers.
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Originally Posted by 3alarmer
...most of the guys younger than mid-life (Arab oil money excepted) can't afford them, so yes.
Yeah, I used to think how lame it was that guys with gray hair / balding / oldsters had Corvettes and other cars I desired as a teen.

Now I am thinking of becoming one of those guys.
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
You guys talk about cycling in really strong winds, but I have severe trouble with anything higher than about 15 mph. I could ask how do you do it, but I think I'm more interested in why. The power output required to even just creep along at 10 mph into a wind like that is immense, nearly 400 watts. And that isn't counting the trouble just staying upright. It isn't any fun that I can tell.
Riding up hills and mountains isn't any fun either but they do it.

I think they're masochists.

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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
You guys talk about cycling in really strong winds, but I have severe trouble with anything higher than about 15 mph. I could ask how do you do it, but I think I'm more interested in why. The power output required to even just creep along at 10 mph into a wind like that is immense, nearly 400 watts. And that isn't counting the trouble just staying upright. It isn't any fun that I can tell.
With a strong headwind, I shift down as low as I need to get the effort I want to expend. If I want to just spin easily I might have to go to first gear and barely move. Who cares? I'm not racing someone. You still can have a nice ride. Often I'm 40 + miles from home when this happens. So what? It's still a good ride. Sideways wind just needs to be anticipated a little. All spring can be this way. Again, who cares? My MTB's go slow in the sand, I still get the exercise I want at slow speed. All winter I ride a heavy studded tire MTB when ground conditions permit. I go 4 mph sometimes in snow (a lot faster on ice). I get the exercise, I get to be outside, and it's even fun! My average speed in a 20 mile ride in snow might be 4.5.

But I'm nuts I ride a bicycle in the rain. After about 45 years of riding a motorcycle in the rain or in deep soft sand it's easy. In deep sand when you get going fast enough a bike planes off just like a boat does in water, and gets up on top of the sand, then it's more stable at maybe 40 mph. Then comes back down to wobbly as you slow.

This is known in some places as fun.
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Nah, I got rid of them. Riding 22 mm deep Al clinchers.
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Originally Posted by 2manybikes
With a strong headwind, I shift down as low as I need to get the effort I want to expend. If I want to just spin easily I might have to go to first gear and barely move. Who cares? I'm not racing someone. You still can have a nice ride. Often I'm 40 + miles from home when this happens. So what? It's still a good ride. Sideways wind just needs to be anticipated a little. All spring can be this way. Again, who cares? My MTB's go slow in the sand, I still get the exercise I want at slow speed. All winter I ride a heavy studded tire MTB when ground conditions permit. I go 4 mph sometimes in snow (a lot faster on ice). I get the exercise, I get to be outside, and it's even fun! My average speed in a 20 mile ride in snow might be 4.5.

But I'm nuts I ride a bicycle in the rain. After about 45 years of riding a motorcycle in the rain or in deep soft sand it's easy. In deep sand when you get going fast enough a bike planes off just like a boat does in water, and gets up on top of the sand, then it's more stable at maybe 40 mph. Then comes back down to wobbly as you slow.

This is known in some places as fun.
Ditto. My assumption is that I'm going to be out on some double century or big climbing ride I've been training for for months. And I'll encounter some sort of adverse condition- cold, wind, rain, etc. So within reason, I don't avoid those conditions when it comes time for an every day type ride, it's good experience.

Weather happens, if you want to ride your bike, ride your bike anyway. If you want to be totally comfortable, stay home. Whatever your priorities are, act accordingly. I was just pointing out that there is some value in adverse conditions, they serve their purpose.
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Originally Posted by BillyD
I think they're masochists.
Originally Posted by 2manybikes
This is known in some places as fun.
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
You guys talk about cycling in really strong winds, but I have severe trouble with anything higher than about 15 mph. I could ask how do you do it, but I think I'm more interested in why. The power output required to even just creep along at 10 mph into a wind like that is immense, nearly 400 watts. And that isn't counting the trouble just staying upright. It isn't any fun that I can tell.
I'm not much for riding in the rain, at least starting in the rain. But I don't mind riding in heavy winds at all. It provides a great workout riding into a direct wind, getting down in the drops and pushing forward at 16-17 mph. I'm not pushing 400W, however, more like 250 or so. Then the most enjoyable part is making the turn with the wind at your back doing 27-30 mph with little effort. This happened on Sunday and put a smile on my face. Crosswinds can be a bit tricky with 45mm wheels once the wind gets over 25mph. I don't get tossed around too much. As others said, if I didn't ride in winds greater than 15mph, I wouldn't be riding much.
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Originally Posted by Heathpack
Ditto. My assumption is that I'm going to be out on some double century or big climbing ride I've been training for for months. And I'll encounter some sort of adverse condition- cold, wind, rain, etc. So within reason, I don't avoid those conditions when it comes time for an every day type ride, it's good experience.

Weather happens, if you want to ride your bike, ride your bike anyway. If you want to be totally comfortable, stay home. Whatever your priorities are, act accordingly. I was just pointing out that there is some value in adverse conditions, they serve their purpose.
Good point. The more you do something, the better you are at it. I patch tubes on the road even when I have a tube sometimes, just for this reason. It works.

Of course I did not ask to born into a family that is all living in New England. But you get good at bad weather too.

The local expression- There is no bad weather, only inappropriate clothing. It works for riding all year.
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You get more snow than I do.
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Originally Posted by FLvector
I'm not much for riding in the rain, at least starting in the rain. But I don't mind riding in heavy winds at all. It provides a great workout riding into a direct wind, getting down in the drops and pushing forward at 16-17 mph. I'm not pushing 400W, however, more like 250 or so. Then the most enjoyable part is making the turn with the wind at your back doing 27-30 mph with little effort. This happened on Sunday and put a smile on my face. Crosswinds can be a bit tricky with 45mm wheels once the wind gets over 25mph. I don't get tossed around too much. As others said, if I didn't ride in winds greater than 15mph, I wouldn't be riding much.
I can't dispute your power numbers if you use a meter. I did the calculation on Bike Calculator specifying 30 mph headwind, 10 mph bike speed, and position on the hoods. I got something like 370 watts. Jus' sayin' for what that's worth.
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In strong winds, I stand up much more. That is the closest I can get to downshifting. Now head wind on a hill, I stand up and curse vociferously, which is like downshifting two gears.
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You get more snow than I do.
I love the friggin snow. I'm thinking about moving to Maine. Or Montana.
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With Montana, you get some wind too.
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370 watts. I have likely misjudged the headwinds I've dealt with because I'm darned certain I can't hold that for the time I've spent battling the wind.
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Originally Posted by BillyD
I love the friggin snow. I'm thinking about moving to Maine. Or Montana.
You could winter in Montana and summer in Florida. Best of both extremes.
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Originally Posted by BillyD
I love the friggin snow. I'm thinking about moving to Maine. Or Montana.
Are you moving to Montana soon? Are you to start a dental floss farm? Do you have a Pigmy pony?
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We're enjoying a good soaking rain this morning, just what was needed to wash away the residual salt on the roadways.


Nice pics, Les.
Just a little mist on the ride to work this morning. So, that worked out.
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Originally Posted by FLvector
You could winter in Montana and summer in Florida. Best of both extremes.
Or winter in North Korea and summer (relative to the northern hemisphere) near Antarctica. If snow is that wonderful, why not have it all the time?
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
I did not know whether or not rjones' apple tree has green shoots.

My nearby uncle is about to plant blueberries, which seems dicey to me with snow still on the ground.
There are buds.
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Originally Posted by 3alarmer
...just cleared out the weeds at the base of the apple tree in question and found significant bark rot at the root crown. Might have to clear cut it.
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