dippitydoo

Okay, so I'm probably just going to buy the parts and then let the mech. put it together.

I was just wondering if it was possible to spend less than 1900.

The Frame+Fork comes out to be about 950. The mech. will most likely charge 150 to assemble.

I'm looking to install Shimano 5800, which lets assume is 350.

That means I need cables, wheels (tires/tubes), seatpost, seat, handle bars, for under 450.

Possible?

BB is BB86.5. Not sure what tye I would need for that.

RPK79

I paid $200 for my frame and built up the bike (myself) at almost exactly $1,000 with a 5700 groupset (this was before 5800). I used Vuelta wheels and went on the inexpensive side for stem, seatpost, seat, bars, etc...

So, yeah it's possible.

PepeM

It's probably possible, but that would depend on what level of wheels you want to have.

ColaJacket

Agreed. A lot of people spend over $500 just for decent wheels. If you want to spend <$450 for cables, wheels (tires/tubes), seatpost, seat, handle bars, you're going to have some pretty cheap wheels.

GH

dippitydoo

I was looking to maybe pick up some fulcrum 7's or RS11's?

The only thing I want absolutely new are the gruppo and frame. Other parts, I don't really mind.

Tbh, just going through ribble and doing a preliminary tally is making my head hurt. I hate to ask but couldddddd someone walk me through via hand holding on navigating this landscape?

jimc101

You need to research what comes with a groupset, current Shimano STI's (Retail & OEM packaging) come with all inners & outer brake & gear cables.

Add the BB question; & headset you have missed (as well as bar tape, pedals, stem & bottle cages), some frames supply these (my Scott CR1 did), some don't. The BB type is determined by the frame, which in turn will determine the crank required (or additional adapters)

Going the frame only route only makes sense if you can get parts very cheap, and can build yourself, as your have included the cost of assembly, thinking that buying an off the shelf bike would be a better option, value for money wise.

gsa103

Wheels ~$200. Cables ~$40. Tires/tubes ~$70. Seatpost $40. Seat $30. Bars $50.

That's going pretty cheap on just about everything. Puts you right about at $450. Keep in mind that's CHEAP on everything, so you're more likely to go over than under.

RPK79

It's the seatpost clamp that's going to put you over.

dtrain

True, but the $40 for cables is not nec. They are included in the $350 groupset. I don't see a stem mentioned in this thread yet.

jimc101

If you are looking at wheels of this level, really thinking you will get a better option going for a full bike build, nothing wrong with the RS11/Fulcrum 7, but both are wheel you would expect on bikes just above entry level, at that level, the economies of scale that you get on full builds makes them far better value for money that you could ever get building from frame up.

RPK79

Maybe, but you lose out on the joy of building the bike...

...oh wait the OP was going to pay someone to do it anyway.

dippitydoo

I guess I should give you guys my plan.

All this talk about the Emonda ALR has me thinking about going that route.

Problem is, I think the ALR 5 has a pretty ugly paint scheme while the ALR 6 has the gorgeous paint scheme. Luckily the frame only purchase is the ALR 6 paint scheme.

Reason why is, the gap between the ALR 5 and 6 is roughly 600. Difference being tires (don't care), carbon seatpost (kinda care. Not too big of a deal), and more importantly the meat of the money, ultegra, which again don't care.

I just want to install 5800 on the ALR 6 frame set.

dippitydoo

Honestly, that would be an absolutely awesome experience. Which can only be done if I was being supervised because im an absolute klutz.

Wingsprint

You could save a considerable amount by building it yourself and using a few lightly used parts (stem, bars, seat post ect).

Ben I.

My Ridley Fenix came standard with Fulcrum 7's and they seemed like decent wheels. I have since switched to Ultegra 6800 wheels because there was a problem with the rear wheel. It would only spin in place and wouldn't tension anymore so they (Performance) after checking into, ended up having Fulcrum want the wheel back to look at it and what not. As the mechanic at PB said, it took over a month to find out what to do about the wheel so it'll probably be awhile before you get it back. PB had a shop spare but figured it was a sign (and an excuse haha) to upgrade my wheelset.

Anyway, I have no idea how common that problem is for the wheel but other than that, it was a dependable wheel and didn't seem particularly heavy.

isuckatbiking

Stole my bike!!! hahah I kid. But yeah, I'm looking into the ALR 6 as well. Let me know how much your final builds ends up being!

rms13

Groupset will come with cables/housing etc.

For super budget build:

Wheels (Vuelta Corsa lite or similar for) $200-250
Tires $40 set
Tubes $10
Bars $20
Seat post $10
Saddle $20
Pedals $10 ($20-30 if you want clipless)


So yes definitely possible depending on how much you care about components and if you are patient to wait for deals/used/ebay all the parts. But my estimate if for all new budget parts, so you could shop around and get slightly better parts in your price range

RPK79

It's not really a complex procedure. Even I can do it and I'm not even close to mechanically inclined. I took my time and watched a lot of YouTube videos on each portion of the build. Now that I've done it I'm comfortable breaking down the bike to the frame once or twice a year to do a complete clean and lube on it. Also, since I've done the build myself I can more easily diagnose problems since I know how it all fits together and works.

dr_lha

I built a bike based around a $900 frame/fork and 6800 Ultegra and with the wheels the end cost was about $2200, downgrading some parts (like 6800 -> 5800) would probably make it easy to get this down to $1900.

@RPK79: It helped that my frame didn't need a seatpost clamp.

EDIT: I should have said that I 100% built this myself.

Shuffleman

$150 to build seems a little high. I did it this way and I know a few friends that did the same thing. It ran $100 for the build.
If you follow the sales and remain diligent with them you can do it with no problem. Watch Ribble, PBK and Merlin for their sales. They are especially cheap on the groupsets. Ribble seems to always be the best bet on groupsets. They are all fast and well used by members on this forum. PBK seems to have mixed reviews but I can say that they have never been anything but great for me.
Some products like handlebars and tape can be had at Performance Bike. Follow their sales and coupons and you can pick them up pretty cheaply.

dippitydoo

Thank you guys for all your input. Its as if a little piece of the bike is owned by all of you guys hahah.

Quick question:



Does I have to put the step cap as well as the part below the stem separately? Also how about the seat post collar?

If getting a mech to build the bike only costs 100, that would be great. More money to put into parts. Best scenerio of course is if I could build it myself. I really dont trust myself though. At all.

Fulcrum 7's or RS11's seem to go for about 200-210. Just not sure if any other parts are needed for the wheels (excluding the tires and tubes of course).

Im also kinda confused on when I buy the gruppo, it somes with a BB. English or italian. Will that fit the ALR's PF86 or do I have to buy another BB all together.

LGHT

Not sure if your dead set on that frame, but the costs seems a bit much especially if your going with a 5800 groupset. I was cut back a little on the frame and fork and upgrade the wheels and groupset.

chevmaro

I already thought about building this same bike. If you buy all your gear on Ribble it will look like this:
Fulcrum 5 - 223
Deda RHM 02 Bars - 22
Deda Zero Stem - 19
Deda Cork Ribbon Tape - 6
Deda RSX 01 Seatpillar - 21
Sram Rival 22 Group - 456
Trek ALR Frame - 899 - this is what my trek store quoted me.

$1646 for a pretty comparable bike to just buying the ALR 5. If you spend more on a nicer build with better wheels and better group set you will save 200 bucks. Not really worth it so i decided not to.

RPK79

How soon can we put in our requests for weekend timeshares?
Collar sometimes comes with the frame as does the headset (part under the stem), but usually they would be separate purchases. A top cap (part above the stem) usually comes with the headset, but can be purchased separately as well. You will also need to purchase spacers to go above and below the stem.

RPK79

You also may need to buy a star nut, if the fork doesn't have one, to screw the top cap into.