rpenmanparker 

Still looking for votes!

cydewaze

56cm, size 13 feet, and a little under an inch of overlap and about to get worse once I get the speedplay fore-aft kit. That said, I've never actually had an issue with overlap. I never turn the bars that much when at speed, and if do, my outside crank arm never seems to be at the 3:00 position. I've only ever noticed it at a standstill.

DaveWC

Then why start the thread/poll and continuously bump it? Apparently someone cares.

merlinextraligh

I think the OP's point was to show that Toe Overlap is so common that the folks on the forum that are worried about it, shouldn't be.

rpenmanparker 

Zackly! Around 75% of all the votes cast. Even common in larger frames though not nearly as big a majority. Close to 100 votes. Pretty convincing, I would say.

bt

and lame.

rpenmanparker 

Good excuse for me to bump this up again.

UnfilteredDregs

Puff! Puff!

bt

lets do a poll about moving front derailleurs closer to the frame it will be as constructive as this one.

rpenmanparker 

In truth are you not just a little bit surprised by the outcome? Widespread toe overlap was my thesis, and yet I am shocked at the numbers. I had no idea the phenomenon was SO prevalent. In cyclng where so much of what we believe about bicycle geometry and fit is just prejudice and hearsay, isn't it at all refreshing to have a solid basis for what we think? Or not?

OldsCOOL

When riding my "too small" '86 Trek 760 Pro Series, I notice that by second nature my back-pedalling going into tight crit style corners happens without pre-planning.

SempreCycling

50cm frame, yes toe overlap.. but I never thought this was considered abnormal? It has never been an issue when riding everything from flats to rollers to mountains. Do people actually worry about this?

cydewaze

You're just jealous that you didn't think of doing the toe overlap poll first!

DaveWC

Not in the least. I understand that nobody cares except 'dregs.

Stucky

I, for one, am also surprised by the numbers- and I think that endeavors like this thread, which dispel cycling myths, are the most valuable attribute of these forums. Toe overlap is probably something that almost everyone has encountered, but probably never even gave a passing thought about, until they read in a book/magazine/forum that it was "a problem".

Now we need a poll asking how many pople are dissatisfied with their rim brakes!

rpenmanparker 

One hundred votes. Keep it coming if you will, but I wouldn't be unhappy if this was the end of it. No more bumps...I promise.

Bunyanderman

No overlap on the Alize.

UnfilteredDregs

I'm not surprised at all. It's quite constrained to small frames. Nevertheless in the realm of urban riding, it can be a definite impediment, unless you're a passive rider who stays out of traffic.

rpenmanparker 

How do you figure constrained to small frames? 7/8 of small frames, sure. But also more than half of larger frames. That is not inconsequential.

antimonysarah

Yeah. I think people are weirdly obsessed with bashing city riders who really, really want to avoid it for understandable reasons -- a wobble in Boston traffic means cars doing SO MANY weird things around you, even if you hold your line pretty well. And one is often going a lot slower, even if a strong rider, possibly in poor shoe choices. (Especially if one is female. Riding in slick-soled high-heeled shoes in heavy traffic trying to arrive completely unsweaty is very different than roadie riding, and some people only have one bike that has to do it all.) Neither of my city bikes have overlap (one is an old slack-angled rigid MTB, the other is a Brompton, which only overlaps my toes when folded at my feet on a subway train).

As for my roadie -- 50cm (ish, it's a custom), fenders, no toe overlap even with the fenders on and an endurance-y cleat position. But also size 39 feet. The frame is actually spec'ed as having overlap (custom, they asked if I cared, I said no), but it doesn't for me.

I do occasionally smack my right foot into the front wheel starting at stops while turning left, if I'm too busy paying attention to traffic to clip in while turning hard and have the center of my foot resting on the pedal. (I'm a right-foot-downer.) But I don't ride it in heavy traffic much.

ColaJacket

Then you have toe-overlap.

I have toe overlap, but it really only affects me when I'm first starting, and that is if I'm not careful.

GH

antimonysarah

No, I only have it if I don't have my foot clipped-in and resting way far in front of its normal position, which I don't really think counts.

ColaJacket

Ok, from the way you described it, the foot was in the normal position.

Yes, 1 inch can make a difference between toe-overlap and no toe-overlap.

But it's still not a big deal except for starting and a very slow parking lot turn.

GH

BicycleJones

And newbies.

The wife and I are just getting into the touring bike scene and, in testing various bikes, this is my main concern.
I've ridden diamond frame bikes all my life for many many miles (the standard "10 speed" variety), though not in some years, and I don't EVER remember my foot hitting my front wheel.
Granted, we've only ridden at slow speeds and I understand that's when it's most prevalent.
I guess one doesn't turn that sharply at higher speeds.

However, I could see that being dangerous in slow-speed traffic, but I'll take the majority's word that one gets used to it.

Just my .02
(I know. People hate that too! lol)

B

prathmann

I wouldn't be surprised if the poll suffered from significant self-selection bias. I've only really had any interest in toe-overlap since I acquired a bike that had that characteristic a number of years ago. Prior to that I would have been unlikely to even open this thread, much less vote in the poll. But now that I have such a bike I'm more interested and did participate in the poll with a 'yes/60cm' vote although all of my previous bikes were in the 'no/>55cm' camp.