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    New CAAD 12= The return of Aluminun bikes to the real world?

    I like the idea of a good old fashion Al bike frame . I can recall the old days when scandium was the greatest thing ever. Seems to me that if we can create a very light responsive bike for less money why not......The trend for $5K frames is a tad much fo rmy blood.

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    Agree but not about scandium... split my frame at the head tube so I had a bad experience with that. However, it seems to me that the latest hydroformed alloy bikes definitely are the affordable way to go for now...

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    Well, sure, except that the CAAD10 was available the whole time.

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    yup, because the CAAD 10 and Smartweld were crap.
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    i don't get it...CAAD10 was already better than many carbon bikes. I know guys that race that choose to ride a CAAD10 Black over a carbon bike
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    Quote Originally Posted by rms13 View Post
    i don't get it...CAAD10 was already better than many carbon bikes. I know guys that race that choose to ride a CAAD10 Black over a carbon bike
    Not much to get. Aluminum bike tech caught up to carbon fiber years ago.

    Aluminum isn't what the professionals ride, therefore people assume it is inferior.

    Half of cycling is the gear, and what the professionals ride, is what the gear junkies want.

    Since bike companies can mark-up carbon frames by 500%, they keep the pros on them...

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    Riding buddy just got the CAAD10 Black Inc. with Red. I like it a lot better that most carbon I've tried. Looks cool, too.
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    Why did they skip 11?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dtrain View Post
    Why did they skip 11?
    I heard it was to avoid references to Spinal Tap https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xgx4k83zzc

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    I like the CAAD10 more than the CAAD12. Internal cable routing is a HUGE pain and has next to zero benefits besides a slightly cleaner look.

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    Teammate just won a Cat 3 race on Sunday on a E5 Smartweld Specialized. That aluminum is not holding anyone back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by link0 View Post
    I like the CAAD10 more than the CAAD12. Internal cable routing is a HUGE pain and has next to zero benefits besides a slightly cleaner look.

    ^This.

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    Looks like Cannondale wants to be Specialized with its so called "SmartForm" aluminum "technology." Specialized already has "SmartWeld."

    SmartForm Alloy Construction combines several common aluminum construction types — hydroforming, taper butting, mechanical shaping, 3D forging, double-pass smooth welding, post-weld heat treat [...]


    Even Wal-Mart bikes are made of hydroformed aluminium. Go check out their bikes; chances are more than a few will proclaim "HYDROFORMED" on its chainstay, along with the "Shimano" stickers.

    Butting is nothing new; been around since steel. If your frame isn't butted then there's something wrong. Or you just have an exceptionally cheap frame. Even bottom-of-the-line Bikes Direct bikes are butted.

    3D forging? What is 2D forging? Bikes are 3D; tubes are 3D; the 3D just makes an old process sound cool.

    Double-pass smooth welding? Almost every high-end manufacturer of aluminum bikes does this now. Specialized. Trek. Etc. Look at their welds - smooth.

    Post-weld heat treatment is a FEATURE? I would HOPE that this is standard since this is required; the aluminum around welded areas is weakened by the heat in the welding process. Heat treatment helps restore strength.

    More marketing BS

    Quote Originally Posted by 69chevy View Post

    Since bike companies can mark-up carbon frames by 500%, they keep the pros on them...
    Aluminum bikes and even aluminum bikes with carbon stays cost anywhere in the range of 20 to 40 bucks, according to the Bikes Direct owner.

    The cheapest all-aluminum bike frame I see being sold by a reputable company is Nashbar, and it's being sold for 100 bucks. That's a 500% markup too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by link0 View Post
    I like the CAAD10 more than the CAAD12. Internal cable routing is a HUGE pain and has next to zero benefits besides a slightly cleaner look.
    Such a PITA.
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    Internal cable routing is good if you want to put in miles in all conditions. And they aren't that hard to install. Looking clean doesn't hurt.

    If you're a wuss, then yeah, external routing all the way.

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    I never thought aluminum went away for common riding, but I never think it will make a return to the pro's collections.
    You want all of your bike parts as light as possible, only until you are upgrading them, that's when you are glad they are heavy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deontologist View Post
    Looks like Cannondale wants to be Specialized with its so called "SmartForm" aluminum "technology." Specialized already has "SmartWeld."
    Yikes, they might want to lawyer up...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalksOn2Wheels View Post
    Internal cable routing is good if you want to put in miles in all conditions. And they aren't that hard to install. Looking clean doesn't hurt.

    If you're a wuss, then yeah, external routing all the way.
    IMO, it's actually the opposite. In bad weather, dirt and water will get into the internal routing areas. How are you gonna clean those parts? External routing is far easier to clean.

    I also don't like how routing holes in the frame will necessarily weaken the frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by link0 View Post
    IMO, it's actually the opposite. In bad weather, dirt and water will get into the internal routing areas. How are you gonna clean those parts? External routing is far easier to clean.

    I also don't like how routing holes in the frame will necessarily weaken the frame.
    Your opinion does not line up with facts. A cable ferule inside of a properly sized frame stop with the cable under tension is NOT letting dirt and grime into the frame. The cables are staying clean. On a frame with external cables, it's not just an issue of cleaning the cables that are exposed, but all the water and dirt and grime that gets pulled inside of the cable housing as you change gears or apply the brakes and the cable slides in and out. It corrodes the cables because you can't get to them and clean them which then results in crappy shifting and sticky braking. This is why internal routing is so popular on higher end MTB and Cross frames. It keeps the cable clean.

    I wouldn't worry at all about holes for internal routing weakening a frame. They've been at this game for a very, very long time.

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    A hole will certainly not weaken the frame. Those holes will be in areas that do not deal with massive stresses.

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    Marketing: Custom butted, hydroform TIG-welded aluminum endurance road frame with big steer tubes, threaded BB, replaceable rear derailleur hanger, carbon fiber blades and Shimano 105 or better components...

    Reality: You're getting a lot for your money with these new alloy bikes, even at full MSRP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caloso View Post
    Teammate just won a Cat 3 race on Sunday on a E5 Smartweld Specialized. That aluminum is not holding anyone back.
    Just think - if he were on a Tarmac he might be a Cat 2 instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McBTC View Post
    threaded BB

    BB30A is threaded??
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    So they say (e.g., Shimano Hollowtech II)

    and,

    "Because you have aluminum threads and surfaces, you can face the shell with a cutter and make it parallel if it is not. The bearing bores are usually round already, with aluminum cups because it is a machined surface, and if the bearing bores are too tight you can sand them out and get the fit just right for the bearings before you thread them into the frame. You cannot use a facing or cutting tool that I know of in a carbon shell."
    ...although, I don't know what Cannondale is up to these days. The OP is was talking about aluminum frames in general.
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