But everyone knows all brands use frames made by the same people in the same factory to the same specs.
The article only proves that the framesets are not the same, but insinuates that the knock-off might kill you. Bike industry tech articles are so dumb.
Neat. All allegations that "Of course they'd say that. They're part of the same industry." aside, I'm really glad someone with resources could write this.
On the other hand, I'd love for an investigation to look at either unbranded or self-branded carbon frames (like Dengfu). I wouldn't buy a counterfeit, but I may still be interested in one of those more honest bargain bin bikes. I'd like to see what (if any) level of big-name-brand bikes they compare to.
Uh oh. I'm looking at Ebay again...
You have to admit anything sold as a counterfeit is a risk. Would I buy one, though? I might, if I felt comfortable about it. Any good product has online, independent, reviews to reference. The truth is that when working with carbon fiber, it takes no more skill to build a counterfeit than the real thing. It's the specs, the types of fabrics, the layup, the layers etc etc, that make it ride the way it does.
Yes, the counterfeit is clearly being sold by a dishonest manipulator and all bets regarding quality are off. A self-branded Chinese frame may or may not be better, but at least it is not screaming scam at you.
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Real branded frames can suffer from wobbles too, I don't see why they make it sound like it's unique to counterfeit bikes.
I work with cranes and any rigging stamped CHINA gets cut up.They are sending some real junk here.
What makes carbon fiber a good material for frames is that you can use different frame and different densities for certain sections. The real one took advantage of that, the counterfeit didn't. The cheap no name frames probably don't do that either (takes R&D to know what to use where). If you want to save some money get a quality aluminum frame instead.
Quote from the article....
"At minimum, it will result in a terrible crash.”
I'm guessing that there are thousands of technical people in Asia, China included, involved in the bike industry that not only know how to make excellent frames and components, but design them and do all of the process engineering as well.
The conclusions drawn are over the top, but the test results are quite interesting. Then again, I don't see why anyone would expect a counterfeit frame to be as good as the real thing.
I read the artical, to me the bottom line is some of the counterfits pose a danger to you, if they fall apart at 20 mph.
Honestly maybe the answer is to buy at end of year when price fall.
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Here's another article from a few years ago.
Are All Carbon Bikes Created Equal? | CyclingTips
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Do 'they' fake other stuff too like $400 cf handlebars? seatposts? rims?
Some random guy: "What kind of frame do you have?"
You: "well you see... I don't really know. I bought it on eBay."
Some random guy and maybe a few other random guys: widen eyes for a second then drops head and sighs
I don't understand how they can conclude that the frames are "death traps". Who died? Youre a bigger sucker than the guy who bought the frame if you take your info from a website that is financially benefiting from Specialized and the rest of the industry.
You cannot fault him for his pricing logic. Prices have gotten utterly insane of late. And no one seems to care or do anything about it, or hell even write about it. When a company announces prices are going up another 10-15% over last years insane prices everyone involved with the industry just smiles and nods.
lame article, lame thread.