What's better? Fuji Sport or Trek?
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Just search for "Trek vs Fuji" on Google and there's a ton of threads about people asking whether Fuji is a solid manufacturer or not. You don't see people asking about Trek. People are obviously skeptical of Fuji.
I'm not debating whether it's based on facts, I'm just saying that the public perception is worse for Fuji, which means... wait for it... lower resale value and harder to sell at all!
I'm not debating whether it's based on facts, I'm just saying that the public perception is worse for Fuji, which means... wait for it... lower resale value and harder to sell at all!
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if you look back at what i said... I was talking about my fuji that was at the $2k mark and had very few components at the advertised level so i figured a lower price point would be even worse, that's all. I also said that if for nothing else, trek will be easier to sell and sell for a higher percentage of original purchase price. Ebay/craigslist/etc speak for themselves. I've had brands like fuji and brands like trek/specialized. My experience has confirmed that the name brands are easier to sell. Just telling the new guy that you get what you pay for and fuji isn't cheaper because they feel like being nice, dunno how that could even be argued with.
if nothing else, the trek will sell for a higher percentage of what you paid for it and it'll be easier to sell.
And to add fuel to the flames, fuji likes to put junky components on their bikes. It's not just the frame that's different. I had a fuji road bike that was advertised as being a carbon frame with ultegra groupset. Guess what was ultegra? The shifters and derailleurs, that's it. The brakes were oval, the cassette was 105, the chain was kmc, and the cranks were some fsa junk. The saddle literally sold for $9.99 new, the wheels were 2,300 grams, the handlebar tape lasted about 200 miles, the tires punctured almost every ride (have not had a single flat since i changed them, not one, on this bike or the one that replaced it). And this was a $2k bike, imagine what it'll be like at a cheaper price point.
There's a reason that fuji is cheaper and it's not because they are feeling generous.
And to add fuel to the flames, fuji likes to put junky components on their bikes. It's not just the frame that's different. I had a fuji road bike that was advertised as being a carbon frame with ultegra groupset. Guess what was ultegra? The shifters and derailleurs, that's it. The brakes were oval, the cassette was 105, the chain was kmc, and the cranks were some fsa junk. The saddle literally sold for $9.99 new, the wheels were 2,300 grams, the handlebar tape lasted about 200 miles, the tires punctured almost every ride (have not had a single flat since i changed them, not one, on this bike or the one that replaced it). And this was a $2k bike, imagine what it'll be like at a cheaper price point.
There's a reason that fuji is cheaper and it's not because they are feeling generous.
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geez...what a $hit$how this turned into.
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I know, right? It's similar to when that last can of Busch disappears at your Cowboys party. 
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Good call! You don't want that drama (or nasty swill).
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07-22-15, 02:09 PM
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First of all, everyone knows that Giant's depreciate like crazy. Secondly, you're just as likely to be just bad at selling things.
If you go back to my first post--"If nothing else, the Trek will sell for a higher percentage of what you paid for it and it'll be easier to sell."
That is not even disputable. Ask a total stranger "hey, have you ever heard of Fuji? Have you heard of Trek?". For the first question, people will probably think you're talking about film for a camera. I'm not saying saying that Trek IS better, I'm saying it is PERCEIVED TO BE BETTER by the general public. This means it'll be easier to sell and likely at a higher percentage of what you paid for it. You don't have to view a bike as an investment to at least acknowledge that getting more money back whenever you sell is a good thing. If he likes the bikes equally, that might be enough to push him one way or the other.
If you go back to my first post--"If nothing else, the Trek will sell for a higher percentage of what you paid for it and it'll be easier to sell."
That is not even disputable. Ask a total stranger "hey, have you ever heard of Fuji? Have you heard of Trek?". For the first question, people will probably think you're talking about film for a camera. I'm not saying saying that Trek IS better, I'm saying it is PERCEIVED TO BE BETTER by the general public. This means it'll be easier to sell and likely at a higher percentage of what you paid for it. You don't have to view a bike as an investment to at least acknowledge that getting more money back whenever you sell is a good thing. If he likes the bikes equally, that might be enough to push him one way or the other.
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07-22-15, 02:58 PM
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Take the bike feel good for you do test ride both bikes and you see what bike is feel better for you. And any bike is good if is take you from point A to point B and shift good tires is good innertubes is good General all the bike is in good contition.
07-22-15, 03:04 PM
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Because everyone does not have the same size buttocks. The size and shape of your buttocks and sit bones will determine which seat is the most comfortable. Since everyone is not the same, then different seats will be more comfortable for different people.
Also, it take a little while for your body to get used to sitting on a bicycle seat. So what may be uncomfortable at first, may be more comfortable as you ride it. Also, there may be some issues that show up on 20-40 mile ride that don't show up on 10-15 mile rides. But until you get to riding that distance regularly, you may not notice that you need a new seat.
The Fuji is a perfectly good bike. So is the Trek. So are Specialized, Cannondale, Giant, Felt, Raleigh, etc.
Test ride the bikes. Let the salespeople know that you are trying to road test a lot of bikes at different LBS's, so that you'll know which bike will fit you best. They'll probably be less pushy then, and they'll probably try to find a bike that fits you very well, if they know that you are road testing bikes at different shops (as there have been many posts where people only went to one shop, and they pushed a bike that they were trying to get rid of, that was an ok fit, instead of trying to find the best fitting bike for the person). The shops will probably require that you leave your driver's license or a credit card behind, to make sure you bring the bike back. Most of the shops that I road tested with were backed up to residential neighborhoods, so you could take a couple mile ride.
Also, they may not have the exact bike in your size, so don't be afraid to road test a bike with the same frame/fork as you want, but a different groupset, and if you like it, order the bike with the right groupset (but the same frame/fork).
The big thing is to ride several bikes from different brands before you buy, so you'll have other bikes to compare to.
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Also, it take a little while for your body to get used to sitting on a bicycle seat. So what may be uncomfortable at first, may be more comfortable as you ride it. Also, there may be some issues that show up on 20-40 mile ride that don't show up on 10-15 mile rides. But until you get to riding that distance regularly, you may not notice that you need a new seat.
The Fuji is a perfectly good bike. So is the Trek. So are Specialized, Cannondale, Giant, Felt, Raleigh, etc.
Test ride the bikes. Let the salespeople know that you are trying to road test a lot of bikes at different LBS's, so that you'll know which bike will fit you best. They'll probably be less pushy then, and they'll probably try to find a bike that fits you very well, if they know that you are road testing bikes at different shops (as there have been many posts where people only went to one shop, and they pushed a bike that they were trying to get rid of, that was an ok fit, instead of trying to find the best fitting bike for the person). The shops will probably require that you leave your driver's license or a credit card behind, to make sure you bring the bike back. Most of the shops that I road tested with were backed up to residential neighborhoods, so you could take a couple mile ride.
Also, they may not have the exact bike in your size, so don't be afraid to road test a bike with the same frame/fork as you want, but a different groupset, and if you like it, order the bike with the right groupset (but the same frame/fork).
The big thing is to ride several bikes from different brands before you buy, so you'll have other bikes to compare to.
GH
What do you mean by the bike might not fit me? I don't understand that part. Don't they bike fit you? Might not fit in length or weight? Please explain. I'm new to this.
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Your statement about resale value is a very reasonable one, which I agree with, however, the bolded statement below is what I take issue with:
This cost cutting method is not exclusive to Fuji and your post made no attempt to indicate that. Additionally, mixed groupsets and proprietary components could hardly be considered "junky." Furthermore, your last sentence clearly implies the reason why Fuji bikes are cheaper is because they're equipped with crap, which is also completely incorrect.
This cost cutting method is not exclusive to Fuji and your post made no attempt to indicate that. Additionally, mixed groupsets and proprietary components could hardly be considered "junky." Furthermore, your last sentence clearly implies the reason why Fuji bikes are cheaper is because they're equipped with crap, which is also completely incorrect.
You probably won't find a full Ultegra, carbon frame bike for $2k elsewhere. I'm just saying there's a REASON why $2k gets you Ultegra with Fuji and 105 with most other brands and it's not generosity. It's because it's only a partial group and stuff like saddle/wheels/etc are JUNK. If you're going to replace that stuff anyway, then it's great because you paid less for the bike to begin with. Again, just saying there's a REASON it's that cheap. When shopping for a new car do you go "oh damn, brand new Ford Fiesta for $14k, what a STEAL!" NO! There's a REASON it's that cheap.
07-22-15, 03:05 PM
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Just search for "Trek vs Fuji" on Google and there's a ton of threads about people asking whether Fuji is a solid manufacturer or not. You don't see people asking about Trek. People are obviously skeptical of Fuji.
I'm not debating whether it's based on facts, I'm just saying that the public perception is worse for Fuji, which means... wait for it... lower resale value and harder to sell at all!
I'm not debating whether it's based on facts, I'm just saying that the public perception is worse for Fuji, which means... wait for it... lower resale value and harder to sell at all!
So if you were me, you would go with the Trek?
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Treks depreciate a lot because there are dozens of them available on the used market. I just picked up a 2014 Trek Domane 2.1 for my son on craigslist. The bike had a MSRP of $1400 if I remember correclty, the original owner had the receipt,he paid $1200 new in March of this year as a closeout model and I bought it in June still brand new as he never liked road bikes for $600 with lots of accessories worth almost $100 bucks making the purchase of the bike around $500 ish.
Do you people making blanket statements about high end bikes/groupsets even own them? You get all up in arms because someone online said your Fuji whatever the hell isn't as good as Trek. Have you ever owned a Trek? See, I've owned several Treks AND several Fujis.
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Without a doubt. Just look at the bike blue book. Fuji's depreciate faster.
Sure, you'll pay more up front for the Trek but trust me it's worth it. I've owned several of each and now I've resigned myself to never owning off brands like Fuji again.
I can't count how many times people who weren't that into bikes or only a little bit asked what I rode and gave me a puzzled look when I said "Fuji". That speaks volumes to the value of the brand. Higher resale value and easier to sell whenever it is you're done with it.
Sure, you'll pay more up front for the Trek but trust me it's worth it. I've owned several of each and now I've resigned myself to never owning off brands like Fuji again.
I can't count how many times people who weren't that into bikes or only a little bit asked what I rode and gave me a puzzled look when I said "Fuji". That speaks volumes to the value of the brand. Higher resale value and easier to sell whenever it is you're done with it.
07-22-15, 03:13 PM
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07-22-15, 03:14 PM
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No, Trek does not depreciate a lot. One of the Trek's I bought was slightly used. It was a 2013 model year that I bought in December 2012. The owner used it for ~100 miles and wanted to upgrade to the carbon version of the same bike. I bought it for $2,400, used it for 2 years, and sold it for $2,300. Oh, the horror, a whole 4% depreciation.
Do you people making blanket statements about high end bikes/groupsets even own them? You get all up in arms because someone online said your Fuji whatever the hell isn't as good as Trek. Have you ever owned a Trek? See, I've owned several Treks AND several Fujis.
Do you people making blanket statements about high end bikes/groupsets even own them? You get all up in arms because someone online said your Fuji whatever the hell isn't as good as Trek. Have you ever owned a Trek? See, I've owned several Treks AND several Fujis.
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That's rich... attacking me for recommending Trek (in a constricted "Trek vs Fuji" who WOULDN'T pick Trek? That's like McDonald's vs Mortons) and you recommend a Crack-n-fail.
07-22-15, 04:35 PM
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Ha ha ha Alias is at it again!
Alias is completely right; he felt like he got screwed so hard that he is still butthurt about his experience and wants to educate newbies about the perils of buying "cheap". You can't fault Alias for that. As a matter of fact is a good thing as not all reviews can be 100% positive all the time.
If I was the OP I'd try both the Trek and the Fuji and choose the one that meets my budget and feels the best *to me*. If it doesn't fit you you'll hate it guaranteed.
If you want the Trek get the Trek. Consider the color too. If your ride doesn't make you want to ride most likely you won't.
If you're thinking resale value over a $1000 bike at this point... I don't know what to tell you. Most likely you'll still have to sell it for significantly less than what you originally paid.
Either bike isn't going to make you any faster/stronger and at this point you probably don't know yet what you want on a bike until you have ridden it enough to know what works and doesn't work for you.
Just make a decision and go out and ride!
For the record, I bought a $1000 Fuji (Roubaix 1.0 LE) as a starter bike, and I'm very happy with it. I experiment with it, have learned bike mechanics with it, and I ride it like I stole it. It had 105, but I upgraded to full Ultegra and passed on the components to my wife's bike (a Fuji Sportif 2.5C).
I've progressed to where I can do a century at the drop of a hat. Sometimes I pass people riding Treks and sometimes they pass me; depends on what I'm doing that day. My FTP is 332, my 5 sec sprint is over 1300, I can put out over 1200 in short sprints at will, my max output is in the 1700s, and the frame handles it all with ease. (I'm 5'9" and my weight is 190 lbs.) When I decide to go I feel like my bike will be there for me and that's not too bad for a cheap bike with crappy components (even when it had the 105 and Tektro brakes with salmon pads). Is it a great bike? No, I still don't know what "great" is, only and idea that is growing on me as I develop in the sport. But is it a capable bike and a great value, and one I have absolutely no problems taking it to a club ride? You bet.
Alias is completely right; he felt like he got screwed so hard that he is still butthurt about his experience and wants to educate newbies about the perils of buying "cheap". You can't fault Alias for that. As a matter of fact is a good thing as not all reviews can be 100% positive all the time.
If I was the OP I'd try both the Trek and the Fuji and choose the one that meets my budget and feels the best *to me*. If it doesn't fit you you'll hate it guaranteed.
If you want the Trek get the Trek. Consider the color too. If your ride doesn't make you want to ride most likely you won't.
If you're thinking resale value over a $1000 bike at this point... I don't know what to tell you. Most likely you'll still have to sell it for significantly less than what you originally paid.
Either bike isn't going to make you any faster/stronger and at this point you probably don't know yet what you want on a bike until you have ridden it enough to know what works and doesn't work for you.
Just make a decision and go out and ride!
For the record, I bought a $1000 Fuji (Roubaix 1.0 LE) as a starter bike, and I'm very happy with it. I experiment with it, have learned bike mechanics with it, and I ride it like I stole it. It had 105, but I upgraded to full Ultegra and passed on the components to my wife's bike (a Fuji Sportif 2.5C).
I've progressed to where I can do a century at the drop of a hat. Sometimes I pass people riding Treks and sometimes they pass me; depends on what I'm doing that day. My FTP is 332, my 5 sec sprint is over 1300, I can put out over 1200 in short sprints at will, my max output is in the 1700s, and the frame handles it all with ease. (I'm 5'9" and my weight is 190 lbs.) When I decide to go I feel like my bike will be there for me and that's not too bad for a cheap bike with crappy components (even when it had the 105 and Tektro brakes with salmon pads). Is it a great bike? No, I still don't know what "great" is, only and idea that is growing on me as I develop in the sport. But is it a capable bike and a great value, and one I have absolutely no problems taking it to a club ride? You bet.
07-22-15, 04:36 PM
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There's one person saying go for the Trek without considering anything else.
Those talking about Fuji are just saying that it is comparable to Trek, Specialized, Cannondale, etc., especially for the intro bikes. And that you should go out and ride the damn bikes, and find out for yourself which one you like best.
Fuji does use Oval brand components in some places, but Trek uses Bontager components in many of those same places. While Bontager may have greater resale value than Oval components, that doesn't mean that they are better. And most people would consider them comparable.
Ride the bikes, look at the specs of each bike (the specs will actually tell you which parts are shimano and which are oval/bontager), look at the price.
Buy a bike that feels good to ride, that you want to ride, has the level of components that you want, and fits your budget.
I'd say that at the Tiagra and below levels, the substitute components won't be very much inferior. At 105 levels and above, they may be.
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Those talking about Fuji are just saying that it is comparable to Trek, Specialized, Cannondale, etc., especially for the intro bikes. And that you should go out and ride the damn bikes, and find out for yourself which one you like best.
Fuji does use Oval brand components in some places, but Trek uses Bontager components in many of those same places. While Bontager may have greater resale value than Oval components, that doesn't mean that they are better. And most people would consider them comparable.
Ride the bikes, look at the specs of each bike (the specs will actually tell you which parts are shimano and which are oval/bontager), look at the price.
Buy a bike that feels good to ride, that you want to ride, has the level of components that you want, and fits your budget.
I'd say that at the Tiagra and below levels, the substitute components won't be very much inferior. At 105 levels and above, they may be.
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Ha ha ha Alias is at it again!
Alias is completely right; he felt like he got screwed so hard that he is still butthurt about his experience and wants to educate newbies about the perils of buying "cheap". You can't fault Alias for that. As a matter of fact is a good thing as not all reviews can be 100% positive all the time.
If I was the OP I'd try both the Trek and the Fuji and choose the one that meets my budget and feels the best *to me*. If it doesn't fit you you'll hate it guaranteed.
If you want the Trek get the Trek. Consider the color too. If your ride doesn't make you want to ride most likely you won't.
If you're thinking resale value over a $1000 bike at this point... I don't know what to tell you. Most likely you'll still have to sell it for significantly less than what you originally paid.
Either bike isn't going to make you any faster/stronger and at this point you probably don't know yet what you want on a bike until you have ridden it enough to know what works and doesn't work for you.
Just make a decision and go out and ride!
For the record, I bought a $1000 Fuji (Roubaix 1.0 LE) as a starter bike, and I'm very happy with it. I experiment with it, have learned bike mechanics with it, and I ride it like I stole it. It had 105, but I upgraded to full Ultegra and passed on the components to my wife's bike (a Fuji Sportif 2.5C).
I've progressed to where I can do a century at the drop of a hat. Sometimes I pass people riding Treks and sometimes they pass me; depends on what I'm doing that day. My FTP is 332, my 5 sec sprint is over 1300, I can put out over 1200 in short sprints at will, my max output is in the 1700s, and the frame handles it all with ease. (I'm 5'9" and my weight is 190 lbs.) When I decide to go I feel like my bike will be there for me and that's not too bad for a cheap bike with crappy components (even when it had the 105 and Tektro brakes with salmon pads). Is it a great bike? No, I still don't know what "great" is, only and idea that is growing on me as I develop in the sport. But is it a capable bike and a great value, and one I have absolutely no problems taking it to a club ride? You bet.
Alias is completely right; he felt like he got screwed so hard that he is still butthurt about his experience and wants to educate newbies about the perils of buying "cheap". You can't fault Alias for that. As a matter of fact is a good thing as not all reviews can be 100% positive all the time.
If I was the OP I'd try both the Trek and the Fuji and choose the one that meets my budget and feels the best *to me*. If it doesn't fit you you'll hate it guaranteed.
If you want the Trek get the Trek. Consider the color too. If your ride doesn't make you want to ride most likely you won't.
If you're thinking resale value over a $1000 bike at this point... I don't know what to tell you. Most likely you'll still have to sell it for significantly less than what you originally paid.
Either bike isn't going to make you any faster/stronger and at this point you probably don't know yet what you want on a bike until you have ridden it enough to know what works and doesn't work for you.
Just make a decision and go out and ride!
For the record, I bought a $1000 Fuji (Roubaix 1.0 LE) as a starter bike, and I'm very happy with it. I experiment with it, have learned bike mechanics with it, and I ride it like I stole it. It had 105, but I upgraded to full Ultegra and passed on the components to my wife's bike (a Fuji Sportif 2.5C).
I've progressed to where I can do a century at the drop of a hat. Sometimes I pass people riding Treks and sometimes they pass me; depends on what I'm doing that day. My FTP is 332, my 5 sec sprint is over 1300, I can put out over 1200 in short sprints at will, my max output is in the 1700s, and the frame handles it all with ease. (I'm 5'9" and my weight is 190 lbs.) When I decide to go I feel like my bike will be there for me and that's not too bad for a cheap bike with crappy components (even when it had the 105 and Tektro brakes with salmon pads). Is it a great bike? No, I still don't know what "great" is, only and idea that is growing on me as I develop in the sport. But is it a capable bike and a great value, and one I have absolutely no problems taking it to a club ride? You bet.
07-22-15, 04:41 PM
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There's one person saying go for the Trek without considering anything else.
Those talking about Fuji are just saying that it is comparable to Trek, Specialized, Cannondale, etc., especially for the intro bikes. And that you should go out and ride the damn bikes, and find out for yourself which one you like best.
Fuji does use Oval brand components in some places, but Trek uses Bontager components in many of those same places. While Bontager may have greater resale value than Oval components, that doesn't mean that they are better. And most people would consider them comparable.
Ride the bikes, look at the specs of each bike (the specs will actually tell you which parts are shimano and which are oval/bontager), look at the price.
Buy a bike that feels good to ride, that you want to ride, has the level of components that you want, and fits your budget.
I'd say that at the Tiagra and below levels, the substitute components won't be very much inferior. At 105 levels and above, they may be.
GH
Those talking about Fuji are just saying that it is comparable to Trek, Specialized, Cannondale, etc., especially for the intro bikes. And that you should go out and ride the damn bikes, and find out for yourself which one you like best.
Fuji does use Oval brand components in some places, but Trek uses Bontager components in many of those same places. While Bontager may have greater resale value than Oval components, that doesn't mean that they are better. And most people would consider them comparable.
Ride the bikes, look at the specs of each bike (the specs will actually tell you which parts are shimano and which are oval/bontager), look at the price.
Buy a bike that feels good to ride, that you want to ride, has the level of components that you want, and fits your budget.
I'd say that at the Tiagra and below levels, the substitute components won't be very much inferior. At 105 levels and above, they may be.
GH
07-22-15, 04:58 PM
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Got the idea from Duriander. i think he's a bit crazy, and I don't agree with everything he says, but I think he's got a point.
Now I know where you stand on things Fuji and I don't plan to lock horns with you here; you stated your opinion based on your experience and I've stated mine. Have a great dayand good riddance!
OP, best of luck to you on your decision.
Now I know where you stand on things Fuji and I don't plan to lock horns with you here; you stated your opinion based on your experience and I've stated mine. Have a great dayand good riddance!
OP, best of luck to you on your decision.