When Did You Realize As a Cyclist You Were ..... Different
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I was driving down the local Main St. and a car in front of me stopped a bit short. I stopped very abruptly and threw my left hand down to my hip opening palm to the back giving the "stopping" signal instinctively. I guess I'd been doing more riding than driving.
No collisions, but it was a funny moment.
No collisions, but it was a funny moment.
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I should probably edit that and include lbs after the number LOL. Yes, I've read it and have it loaned out to another overweight rider. Sad post-script... He cheated on his wife, got divorced, started drinking and smoking again, and gained back a good deal of weight. Seems he didn't really deal with his addictions, just temporarily swapped them for another (albeit a much healthier alternative). I think he's found a middle ground now though and is writing for some bicycling publication now.
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You maybe right. I ran into her later at Jr. College and saw the guy she was dating then *shudder*. I think she was a tad too traditional for me. You would think her dad would be happy with a bike guy though. How much more trouble could we have possible gotten into in the back seat of a car as opposed to my bike.
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You maybe right. I ran into her later at Jr. College and saw the guy she was dating then *shudder*. I think she was a tad too traditional for me. You would think her dad would be happy with a bike guy though. How much more trouble could we have possible gotten into in the back seat of a car as opposed to my bike.
07-31-15, 01:50 PM
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Do you own a trainer or spin bike? After doing a spin bike one winter, I gladly started riding my road bike through the winters! Wind? Cold? Pffft! Nothing, compared to the misery of "cycling" indoors! Those guys who do the trainer thing....they must be supermen! Riding outside in the elements is easy by comparison.
After getting back into cycling I figured I'd spend the winter riding the trainer to avoid having to re-acclimate in the spring. That was the most miserable winter season I spent. Just doing 45 minutes to an hour on the trainer, watching reruns of Married with Children was enough to convince me that winter riding couldn't possibly be that bad (of course I live in California so it really isn't that bad - relatively). That spring and summer I stocked up on winter clothes when they went on sale, and the by next winter I was ready to keep on commuting 2 to 3 days a week and go on at least one weekend ride per week. Best part of all, the trainer stayed folded up in the garage; actually it spent some time at my friend's apartment when she figured it was too cold to ride in the winter (and now she rides year round with me).
As far as knowing I was different, I think it really hit home when I realized I was putting more miles on my bikes
than on my Harley 
.
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07-31-15, 03:02 PM
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When in 1973 I spent 150.00 of hard earned busboy wages to buy a 10-speed Motobecane. The bike was my life back then while others were getting their drivers liscense I was getting faster on the Moto.
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It's WAY simpler than that. Say a rider gets up at 6:00, hops on his bike, and goes for a ride and he hasn't eaten anything since 8:00 the previous evening. Shouldn't he think about getting something to eat before 10:00? But if a rider finishes a nice big breakfast at 7:30, I don't think anyone would doubt he could ride until the afternoon without needing so much as a cup of coffee.
You may want to top it off with a few hundred Calories of carbs, but the time for that is heading out the door not halfway through your ride.
Or not - some studies show fasted riding gets you using more fat and less carbs on that ride, producing metabolic changes which are beneficial at longer distances/higher intensities.
I split the difference to sate my hunger, maybe eating 35-45g of carbs.
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A few years back. Got the idea that you don't really NEED a car, even in the cold. Took it and ran. Studded Winter tires, thermal everything, you name it.
The normals looked askance at this affront. Those that warmed up the car for 20 minutes to drive 12 blocks.
The normals looked askance at this affront. Those that warmed up the car for 20 minutes to drive 12 blocks.
07-31-15, 06:16 PM
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Nothing happens to the glycogen your muscles when you're sleeping, just your liver.
You may want to top it off with a few hundred Calories of carbs, but the time for that is heading out the door not halfway through your ride.
Or not - some studies show fasted riding gets you using more fat and less carbs on that ride, producing metabolic changes which are beneficial at longer distances/higher intensities.
I split the difference to sate my hunger, maybe eating 35-45g of carbs.
You may want to top it off with a few hundred Calories of carbs, but the time for that is heading out the door not halfway through your ride.
Or not - some studies show fasted riding gets you using more fat and less carbs on that ride, producing metabolic changes which are beneficial at longer distances/higher intensities.
I split the difference to sate my hunger, maybe eating 35-45g of carbs.
If you guys monitor your actual glycogen levels, and know you always have the same amount before heading out for a ride, you ARE different!
07-31-15, 08:23 PM
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Sure.
For the sake of argument lets say you're a trained cyclist with decent anaerobic and aerobic fitness. 170 pounds in athletic shape, 3.5W/kg getting into Cat-3 on Coggan's infamous chart, and 75% of your 270W FTP is 200W.
At typical cycling metabolic efficiencies, 1kj = 1 Calorie so you're burning 720 an hour and 2880 over 4. Below your aerobic threshold you can achieve a 75%/25% fat/carbohydrate split so you go through 720 Calories of glycogen.
Your blood has about 25 grams of glycogen, liver 100 grams, and muscles 400 with at least 1/3 of that 133 grams in your legs (over 1/2 is more typical).
At 4 Calories per gram that's 1032 Calories which is a significant margin beyond the 720 you need.
That doesn't work when you have sub-optimal aerobic fitness, although in that case you'll have a more typical CP240 of 55-65% of FTP and need more training.
Those guys
1. Have FTPs over 400W
2. Do periods at 100% of FTP and beyond which deplete their glycogen stores
No, although with a good aerobic base you won't get hungry for four hours and can enjoy a real meal when you're done riding. I'm much happier sitting down for tapas with my wife after my Saturday ride than cramming down Clif Bars during it.
I didn't buy it either until I rode a bunch of base miles to lose all my middle-age spread, noticed that lifted my LTHR from 164 to 168 suggesting there were gains from riding "slow", discovered I gained more patience as I aged, was training 14+ hours a week on a polarized plan apart from a non-rest week weekly threshold ride for 1-1:30 at 95% of FTP, and tried it. With good aerobic fitness from that I don't need to eat for four hours like people suggested. Back-of-the-envelope calculations sanity check.
75% of my maximum doesn't change through the first three weeks of my macro-blocks. It goes up as I adapt over my rest week, but I don't have an approximation of that until the following Monday when I look at my 10 minute numbers or ride a 20 minute FTP test the week after that.
For the sake of argument lets say you're a trained cyclist with decent anaerobic and aerobic fitness. 170 pounds in athletic shape, 3.5W/kg getting into Cat-3 on Coggan's infamous chart, and 75% of your 270W FTP is 200W.
At typical cycling metabolic efficiencies, 1kj = 1 Calorie so you're burning 720 an hour and 2880 over 4. Below your aerobic threshold you can achieve a 75%/25% fat/carbohydrate split so you go through 720 Calories of glycogen.
Your blood has about 25 grams of glycogen, liver 100 grams, and muscles 400 with at least 1/3 of that 133 grams in your legs (over 1/2 is more typical).
At 4 Calories per gram that's 1032 Calories which is a significant margin beyond the 720 you need.
That doesn't work when you have sub-optimal aerobic fitness, although in that case you'll have a more typical CP240 of 55-65% of FTP and need more training.
Those guys
1. Have FTPs over 400W
2. Do periods at 100% of FTP and beyond which deplete their glycogen stores
No, although with a good aerobic base you won't get hungry for four hours and can enjoy a real meal when you're done riding. I'm much happier sitting down for tapas with my wife after my Saturday ride than cramming down Clif Bars during it.
I didn't buy it either until I rode a bunch of base miles to lose all my middle-age spread, noticed that lifted my LTHR from 164 to 168 suggesting there were gains from riding "slow", discovered I gained more patience as I aged, was training 14+ hours a week on a polarized plan apart from a non-rest week weekly threshold ride for 1-1:30 at 95% of FTP, and tried it. With good aerobic fitness from that I don't need to eat for four hours like people suggested. Back-of-the-envelope calculations sanity check.
75% of my maximum doesn't change through the first three weeks of my macro-blocks. It goes up as I adapt over my rest week, but I don't have an approximation of that until the following Monday when I look at my 10 minute numbers or ride a 20 minute FTP test the week after that.
07-31-15, 08:29 PM
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Do you own a trainer or spin bike? After doing a spin bike one winter, I gladly started riding my road bike through the winters! Wind? Cold? Pffft! Nothing, compared to the misery of "cycling" indoors! Those guys who do the trainer thing....they must be supermen! Riding outside in the elements is easy by comparison.
It's basically what Zwift is trying to deliver to your living room except here you're in the same room as the other people and you've all got your avatars on screen and you're racing. It's actually really competitive because you're all right there next to each other, you can hear the huffing and puffing and see their avatar and their power output as they attack etc etc etc.... with this it's never boring on the trainer in winter.
EXAMPLE: To show you how exciting it can get - one time on an 8 mile climb for some reason the guy on the computrainer next to me dropped off to about 50-70 meters behind me. We had been heading up the climb at the same pace up to that point anyway getting close to the top I see him get out of the saddle next to me and is sprinting back up to catch up to me and maybe get to the top before me. On the screen our power outputs are displayed and I'm comfortably putting out about 215w and I see him cranking mid to high 300's to close the gap... as soon as he catches up to me and his watts start dropping down I get out of the saddle and crank it to high 300's for at least 30 seconds I think. Out of the corner of my eye I see him sit back down on the bike, and his head is just slumped into his chest and on the screen his power is like down to 150w.... I get to the top before him. It gets exciting in that class.
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After getting back into cycling I figured I'd spend the winter riding the trainer to avoid having to re-acclimate in the spring. That was the most miserable winter season I spent. Just doing 45 minutes to an hour on the trainer, watching reruns of Married with Children was enough to convince me that winter riding couldn't possibly be that bad (of course I live in California so it really isn't that bad - relatively). That spring and summer I stocked up on winter clothes when they went on sale, and the by next winter I was ready to keep on commuting 2 to 3 days a week and go on at least one weekend ride per week. Best part of all, the trainer stayed folded up in the garage; actually it spent some time at my friend's apartment when she figured it was too cold to ride in the winter (and now she rides year round with me).
As far as knowing I was different, I think it really hit home when I realized I was putting more miles on my bikes than on my Harley .
After getting back into cycling I figured I'd spend the winter riding the trainer to avoid having to re-acclimate in the spring. That was the most miserable winter season I spent. Just doing 45 minutes to an hour on the trainer, watching reruns of Married with Children was enough to convince me that winter riding couldn't possibly be that bad (of course I live in California so it really isn't that bad - relatively). That spring and summer I stocked up on winter clothes when they went on sale, and the by next winter I was ready to keep on commuting 2 to 3 days a week and go on at least one weekend ride per week. Best part of all, the trainer stayed folded up in the garage; actually it spent some time at my friend's apartment when she figured it was too cold to ride in the winter (and now she rides year round with me).
As far as knowing I was different, I think it really hit home when I realized I was putting more miles on my bikes
than on my Harley .I do up to 90mins on the trainer and it's nothing but pure joy because I ride with others - see the post above that I replied to for context.
This is also why I'm really looking forward to ZWIFT because it's the exact same thing except now I wouldn't have to physically go there like I currently do in the winter.
Imagine doing this during winter - THERE IS NOTHING BORING ABOUT THIS - just watch the entire video, it's amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg3_EKqNzK0
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I was about 5 or 6 when I got my first fix it shop two wheeler. It was my tool to explore the world.
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When my weekly beer consumption dropped to 0 or 1.
I stopped having beer on Sunday to be fresh for VO2max intervals on Monday- they're really hard, too much of the wrong food before leads to vomiting, and I need to be at 100%.
I stopped having beer on Wednesdays to be fresh for threshold Thursdays - 95% of FTP isn't too bad for the first 40 minutes, although after that it takes increasing amounts of focus to keep the power up, and I don't want any distractions from my physical state.
I stopped having beer on Fridays for my longer ride on Saturday - while not hard, it's not short, and I want to be at 100% then too.
I stopped having beer on Mondays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays - I wake up before sunrise for my 2 hour ride before work, am not done working to have a beer until after 9pm, and sleep better without one before bedtime.
That left Saturday afternoons. I'm riding farther, my aerobic threshold is going up, and carbs are bad for my fat adaptation which supports the longer and faster combination.
I stopped having beer on Sunday to be fresh for VO2max intervals on Monday- they're really hard, too much of the wrong food before leads to vomiting, and I need to be at 100%.
I stopped having beer on Wednesdays to be fresh for threshold Thursdays - 95% of FTP isn't too bad for the first 40 minutes, although after that it takes increasing amounts of focus to keep the power up, and I don't want any distractions from my physical state.
I stopped having beer on Fridays for my longer ride on Saturday - while not hard, it's not short, and I want to be at 100% then too.
I stopped having beer on Mondays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays - I wake up before sunrise for my 2 hour ride before work, am not done working to have a beer until after 9pm, and sleep better without one before bedtime.
That left Saturday afternoons. I'm riding farther, my aerobic threshold is going up, and carbs are bad for my fat adaptation which supports the longer and faster combination.
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When my diet became about eating extra to keep weight on, remaining Contador sized instead of turning into Rasmussen.
(137 pounds and 5'9 according to my last annual physical, although I thought I was 510")
(137 pounds and 5'9 according to my last annual physical, although I thought I was 510")
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When my weekly beer consumption dropped to 0 or 1.
I stopped having beer on Sunday to be fresh for VO2max intervals on Monday- they're really hard, too much of the wrong food before leads to vomiting, and I need to be at 100%.
I stopped having beer on Wednesdays to be fresh for threshold Thursdays - 95% of FTP isn't too bad for the first 40 minutes, although after that it takes increasing amounts of focus to keep the power up, and I don't want any distractions from my physical state.
I stopped having beer on Fridays for my longer ride on Saturday - while not hard, it's not short, and I want to be at 100% then too.
I stopped having beer on Mondays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays - I wake up before sunrise for my 2 hour ride before work, am not done working to have a beer until after 9pm, and sleep better without one before bedtime.
That left Saturday afternoons. I'm riding farther, my aerobic threshold is going up, and carbs are bad for my fat adaptation which supports the longer and faster combination.
I stopped having beer on Sunday to be fresh for VO2max intervals on Monday- they're really hard, too much of the wrong food before leads to vomiting, and I need to be at 100%.
I stopped having beer on Wednesdays to be fresh for threshold Thursdays - 95% of FTP isn't too bad for the first 40 minutes, although after that it takes increasing amounts of focus to keep the power up, and I don't want any distractions from my physical state.
I stopped having beer on Fridays for my longer ride on Saturday - while not hard, it's not short, and I want to be at 100% then too.
I stopped having beer on Mondays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays - I wake up before sunrise for my 2 hour ride before work, am not done working to have a beer until after 9pm, and sleep better without one before bedtime.
That left Saturday afternoons. I'm riding farther, my aerobic threshold is going up, and carbs are bad for my fat adaptation which supports the longer and faster combination.
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Beer also has high levels of estrogen. It increases your estrogen and reduces your testosterone. This is why long-time heavy beer drinkers usually have man-boobs. Lots of other detrimental things about it, too. It just ain't good for an athlete...or anyone, really. (Luckily, I've always found beer to be completely repulsive, so it's not an issue for me...)
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I knew I was different when I started taking my bike with me everywhere I went/go and many days stop driving and go for a ride.
LOVE RIDING!!!!
Also know that I'm different when I'm doing hill repeats regularly.
Manny
LOVE RIDING!!!!
Also know that I'm different when I'm doing hill repeats regularly.
Manny
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when my mom asked me to return a video to a rental store, i said okay, and hopped on my bike rode there and back in 10 minutes. (it was a 10 to 15 min drive) She looked at me and was asking me if I wanted to borrow the car. I mentioned that its already returned, and she was shocked. At that time It was a passion of mine to ride my bike, still is.
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what does this have to do with Strava? when you stop your bike computer will auto pause thus not affecting your average. I hate stopping on short rides (less than 40-50 miles). Stop after the ride and talk all day. Too many stops makes the ride than much longer which keeps you away from your life off of the bike longer.
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Sure.
For the sake of argument lets say you're a trained cyclist with decent anaerobic and aerobic fitness. 170 pounds in athletic shape, 3.5W/kg getting into Cat-3 on Coggan's infamous chart, and 75% of your 270W FTP is 200W.
At typical cycling metabolic efficiencies, 1kj = 1 Calorie so you're burning 720 an hour and 2880 over 4. Below your aerobic threshold you can achieve a 75%/25% fat/carbohydrate split so you go through 720 Calories of glycogen.
Your blood has about 25 grams of glycogen, liver 100 grams, and muscles 400 with at least 1/3 of that 133 grams in your legs (over 1/2 is more typical).
At 4 Calories per gram that's 1032 Calories which is a significant margin beyond the 720 you need.
That doesn't work when you have sub-optimal aerobic fitness, although in that case you'll have a more typical CP240 of 55-65% of FTP and need more training.
Those guys
1. Have FTPs over 400W
2. Do periods at 100% of FTP and beyond which deplete their glycogen stores
No, although with a good aerobic base you won't get hungry for four hours and can enjoy a real meal when you're done riding. I'm much happier sitting down for tapas with my wife after my Saturday ride than cramming down Clif Bars during it.
I didn't buy it either until I rode a bunch of base miles to lose all my middle-age spread, noticed that lifted my LTHR from 164 to 168 suggesting there were gains from riding "slow", discovered I gained more patience as I aged, was training 14+ hours a week on a polarized plan apart from a non-rest week weekly threshold ride for 1-1:30 at 95% of FTP, and tried it. With good aerobic fitness from that I don't need to eat for four hours like people suggested. Back-of-the-envelope calculations sanity check.
75% of my maximum doesn't change through the first three weeks of my macro-blocks. It goes up as I adapt over my rest week, but I don't have an approximation of that until the following Monday when I look at my 10 minute numbers or ride a 20 minute FTP test the week after that.
For the sake of argument lets say you're a trained cyclist with decent anaerobic and aerobic fitness. 170 pounds in athletic shape, 3.5W/kg getting into Cat-3 on Coggan's infamous chart, and 75% of your 270W FTP is 200W.
At typical cycling metabolic efficiencies, 1kj = 1 Calorie so you're burning 720 an hour and 2880 over 4. Below your aerobic threshold you can achieve a 75%/25% fat/carbohydrate split so you go through 720 Calories of glycogen.
Your blood has about 25 grams of glycogen, liver 100 grams, and muscles 400 with at least 1/3 of that 133 grams in your legs (over 1/2 is more typical).
At 4 Calories per gram that's 1032 Calories which is a significant margin beyond the 720 you need.
That doesn't work when you have sub-optimal aerobic fitness, although in that case you'll have a more typical CP240 of 55-65% of FTP and need more training.
Those guys
1. Have FTPs over 400W
2. Do periods at 100% of FTP and beyond which deplete their glycogen stores
No, although with a good aerobic base you won't get hungry for four hours and can enjoy a real meal when you're done riding. I'm much happier sitting down for tapas with my wife after my Saturday ride than cramming down Clif Bars during it.
I didn't buy it either until I rode a bunch of base miles to lose all my middle-age spread, noticed that lifted my LTHR from 164 to 168 suggesting there were gains from riding "slow", discovered I gained more patience as I aged, was training 14+ hours a week on a polarized plan apart from a non-rest week weekly threshold ride for 1-1:30 at 95% of FTP, and tried it. With good aerobic fitness from that I don't need to eat for four hours like people suggested. Back-of-the-envelope calculations sanity check.
75% of my maximum doesn't change through the first three weeks of my macro-blocks. It goes up as I adapt over my rest week, but I don't have an approximation of that until the following Monday when I look at my 10 minute numbers or ride a 20 minute FTP test the week after that.
08-01-15, 01:32 PM
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There's also more to life than being as thin and fast as you can on the bike...
...Brought to you by a 28 yo competitive cyclist (Cat 3 road/track) who enjoys good beer
. Having said that, I don't drink before the days when I do hard on the bike workouts that will include alot of time at or above FTP. I can do a longer z2 endurance ride mildly hungover, no problem.
...Brought to you by a 28 yo competitive cyclist (Cat 3 road/track) who enjoys good beer
. Having said that, I don't drink before the days when I do hard on the bike workouts that will include alot of time at or above FTP. I can do a longer z2 endurance ride mildly hungover, no problem.
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