Why You Absolutely Need Disc Brakes...
08-20-15, 04:25 AM
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Only if you have zero mechanical aptitude. Discs are easier to manage and setup than rim brakes, especially hydraulic brakes.
Rear disc wheel build requires no extra considerations and front wheel dish isn't nearly enough to make the build anymore interesting than with a normal front wheel.
Rear disc wheel build requires no extra considerations and front wheel dish isn't nearly enough to make the build anymore interesting than with a normal front wheel.
08-20-15, 09:09 AM
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Only if you have zero mechanical aptitude. Discs are easier to manage and setup than rim brakes, especially hydraulic brakes.
Rear disc wheel build requires no extra considerations and front wheel dish isn't nearly enough to make the build anymore interesting than with a normal front wheel.
Rear disc wheel build requires no extra considerations and front wheel dish isn't nearly enough to make the build anymore interesting than with a normal front wheel.
08-20-15, 10:14 AM
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You know what? I was flip flopping on my next build on rim vs. disc brakes. I had decided on disc brakes, but after all the talk here, I'm going back to rim brakes.
Why? Because I don't want to have this disc vs. rim brake conversation with every Fred I run into on the road. I think a guy riding discs on the road will attract Freds like flies asking all sorts of ridiculous questions.
Why? Because I don't want to have this disc vs. rim brake conversation with every Fred I run into on the road. I think a guy riding discs on the road will attract Freds like flies asking all sorts of ridiculous questions.
08-20-15, 10:22 AM
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Only if you have zero mechanical aptitude. Discs are easier to manage and setup than rim brakes, especially hydraulic brakes.
Rear disc wheel build requires no extra considerations and front wheel dish isn't nearly enough to make the build anymore interesting than with a normal front wheel.
Rear disc wheel build requires no extra considerations and front wheel dish isn't nearly enough to make the build anymore interesting than with a normal front wheel.
08-21-15, 10:14 PM
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I can still enjoy riding a bike as much as anyone....and at least, at 53, still have all of my original unbroken parts.....
08-21-15, 10:31 PM
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I didn't even bother debating myself when I shopped for my bike. I wanted to run 700x28 for road and 700x35 or larger for fire roads/gravel, so I went with a CX frame, and most of those are disc. Nobody bats an eye when you have disc on a cross frame. I did have a CAAD10 commuter tell me at a stop light that there are a few days a year he wishes he had bought disc-- his wet-weather braking on carbon clinchers was as he stated, "terrifying." But no other rider has remarked about my brakes. Outside of the internet, no one appears to care.
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, especially hydraulic brakes.
Rear disc wheel build requires no extra considerations
Rear disc wheel build requires no extra considerations
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08-22-15, 01:29 AM
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08-22-15, 01:37 AM
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And let me just put this one out here.
If you've never done anything with hydraulic disc brakes then sure, they can seem a bit intimidating, but in reality discs are ridiculously easy to install and maintenance.
And with shimano using mineral oil the bleeding frequency for them drops dramatically. Once the brake is bled you can just leave it and forget it for a few years. And if the caliped is centered properly you never even need to loosen the caliper bolts (since you know, the manufacturer recommended way of aligning the caliper by opening the bolts is wrong)
to me, handling with cables and housings and pad toe ins and needing to use compressionless housings and all that is a huge deal more complicated and aggravating than using a disc brake.
With a hydro disc you align the caliper, add pads and that's pretty much it. If there's rub you stick a small screwdriver behind the rubbing pad and squeeze the lever once and done. No more rub.
Also, with discs you don't need to periodically take out the pads and pick out the pieces of aluminum and sand the surface.
If you've never done anything with hydraulic disc brakes then sure, they can seem a bit intimidating, but in reality discs are ridiculously easy to install and maintenance.
And with shimano using mineral oil the bleeding frequency for them drops dramatically. Once the brake is bled you can just leave it and forget it for a few years. And if the caliped is centered properly you never even need to loosen the caliper bolts (since you know, the manufacturer recommended way of aligning the caliper by opening the bolts is wrong)
to me, handling with cables and housings and pad toe ins and needing to use compressionless housings and all that is a huge deal more complicated and aggravating than using a disc brake.
With a hydro disc you align the caliper, add pads and that's pretty much it. If there's rub you stick a small screwdriver behind the rubbing pad and squeeze the lever once and done. No more rub.
Also, with discs you don't need to periodically take out the pads and pick out the pieces of aluminum and sand the surface.
08-22-15, 09:58 AM
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And let me just put this one out here.
If you've never done anything with hydraulic disc brakes then sure, they can seem a bit intimidating, but in reality discs are ridiculously easy to install and maintenance.
And with shimano using mineral oil the bleeding frequency for them drops dramatically. Once the brake is bled you can just leave it and forget it for a few years. And if the caliped is centered properly you never even need to loosen the caliper bolts (since you know, the manufacturer recommended way of aligning the caliper by opening the bolts is wrong)
to me, handling with cables and housings and pad toe ins and needing to use compressionless housings and all that is a huge deal more complicated and aggravating than using a disc brake.
With a hydro disc you align the caliper, add pads and that's pretty much it. If there's rub you stick a small screwdriver behind the rubbing pad and squeeze the lever once and done. No more rub.
Also, with discs you don't need to periodically take out the pads and pick out the pieces of aluminum and sand the surface.
If you've never done anything with hydraulic disc brakes then sure, they can seem a bit intimidating, but in reality discs are ridiculously easy to install and maintenance.
And with shimano using mineral oil the bleeding frequency for them drops dramatically. Once the brake is bled you can just leave it and forget it for a few years. And if the caliped is centered properly you never even need to loosen the caliper bolts (since you know, the manufacturer recommended way of aligning the caliper by opening the bolts is wrong)
to me, handling with cables and housings and pad toe ins and needing to use compressionless housings and all that is a huge deal more complicated and aggravating than using a disc brake.
With a hydro disc you align the caliper, add pads and that's pretty much it. If there's rub you stick a small screwdriver behind the rubbing pad and squeeze the lever once and done. No more rub.
Also, with discs you don't need to periodically take out the pads and pick out the pieces of aluminum and sand the surface.
08-23-15, 11:10 AM
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And let me just put this one out here.
If you've never done anything with hydraulic disc brakes then sure, they can seem a bit intimidating, but in reality discs are ridiculously easy to install and maintenance.
And with shimano using mineral oil the bleeding frequency for them drops dramatically. Once the brake is bled you can just leave it and forget it for a few years. And if the caliped is centered properly you never even need to loosen the caliper bolts (since you know, the manufacturer recommended way of aligning the caliper by opening the bolts is wrong)
to me, handling with cables and housings and pad toe ins and needing to use compressionless housings and all that is a huge deal more complicated and aggravating than using a disc brake.
With a hydro disc you align the caliper, add pads and that's pretty much it. If there's rub you stick a small screwdriver behind the rubbing pad and squeeze the lever once and done. No more rub.
Also, with discs you don't need to periodically take out the pads and pick out the pieces of aluminum and sand the surface.
If you've never done anything with hydraulic disc brakes then sure, they can seem a bit intimidating, but in reality discs are ridiculously easy to install and maintenance.
And with shimano using mineral oil the bleeding frequency for them drops dramatically. Once the brake is bled you can just leave it and forget it for a few years. And if the caliped is centered properly you never even need to loosen the caliper bolts (since you know, the manufacturer recommended way of aligning the caliper by opening the bolts is wrong)
to me, handling with cables and housings and pad toe ins and needing to use compressionless housings and all that is a huge deal more complicated and aggravating than using a disc brake.
With a hydro disc you align the caliper, add pads and that's pretty much it. If there's rub you stick a small screwdriver behind the rubbing pad and squeeze the lever once and done. No more rub.
Also, with discs you don't need to periodically take out the pads and pick out the pieces of aluminum and sand the surface.
08-23-15, 04:44 PM
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It's amazing that they don't even send someone ahead the day before to film the course for the riders. Granted, most of the most of the course could be FF through, because they're nothing special. But for some of the high speed descents with sharp turns, it could help the riders to know how one turn sets up another, as the fastest way throught the first turn, may not be the fastest way to go through several turns.
And, of course, any turns near the finish line would probably be carefully scrutinized.
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And, of course, any turns near the finish line would probably be carefully scrutinized.
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08-23-15, 04:48 PM
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But, since I can't live out here (so I am working from memory), I think you referenced that what happened was silly because it was meaningless. It's not meaningless to the riders, the teams, and the sponsors. Trust me. Any more than diving into a turn to win Daytona or Indy is meaningless to the driver even if he wrecks.
08-23-15, 07:10 PM
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But, since I can't live out here (so I am working from memory), I think you referenced that what happened was silly because it was meaningless. It's not meaningless to the riders, the teams, and the sponsors. Trust me. Any more than diving into a turn to win Daytona or Indy is meaningless to the driver even if he wrecks.
08-23-15, 07:47 PM
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you said...
and I said...
then you said...
so I win
and there is nothing remotely the same bewteen riding a bike and racing a bike for a paycheck.
you are pedaling in both cases.
amirite?
amirite?
so I win
08-23-15, 09:58 PM
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08-24-15, 08:32 AM
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Personally, I think taking substantial risks with one's life and health for no other reason than entertainment; financial gain; and self-glorification, is the height of folly. If that rider should be handicapped/in pain/unable to function at 100% for the rest of his life; or even if he should have substantial pain and physical limitations later in life for a decade or two, do you think he would consider it a fair trade-off and not regret his actions?
It would be a boring world using your line of logic.
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08-24-15, 09:00 AM
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08-24-15, 09:01 AM
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Then virtually all professional sports should be eliminated using your thinking. As well as a whole bunch of other activities. And the same for amateur sports.
If and when Justin Wilson comes out of his coma, my guess is he'll say keep racing.
It would be a boring world using your line of logic.
If and when Justin Wilson comes out of his coma, my guess is he'll say keep racing.
It would be a boring world using your line of logic.