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Old 08-20-15, 03:22 AM
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never thought that a new custom wheelset could be so nice

Yesterday my new custom wheelset finally came in an I got them put on
I had factory giant sr-2 on my defy 3
And was told to change out my wheelset to improve my cycling .
So I bought me some HED BELGIUM'S , DT SWISS 350 DISC READY HUBS ,SILVER PLATED BRASS NIPPLES ,AN CX COMPETITION SPOKES,32 x 28 spoke count ,with contenital grand prix 4000 tires ,
As they had put my wheels on they rolled the back tire and was working on putting the front one on , I swear as we talked n they were making adjustments seemed like 4 to 5 min went by . That back tire was still spinning ,,,, my factory tire would have done quit before 60 seconds , I hope this really improves my riding,, and I now have less rolling resistance , can't wait till fri pm and get out on the road with them ,,any way ...a guy can always hope .....
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Enjoy your new wheels.
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Those will glide.
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Those sound like nice wheels, enjoy!
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Nice wheels.

However, I'm afraid you'll notice virtually no difference in the friction of the hubs. First, hub friction is a pretty small part of the whole equation. So if you could somehow ride on a frictionless hub, the difference between that and a relatively good hub would hardly be perceptible.

Second, what you're seeing in how long it takes 2 different hubs to quit spinning, is a difference in the friction from the seals on the bearings. That tells you almost nothing of the actual friction loss of a hub under load.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Nice wheels.

However, I'm afraid you'll notice virtually no difference in the friction of the hubs. First, hub friction is a pretty small part of the whole equation. So if you could somehow ride on a frictionless hub, the difference between that and a relatively good hub would hardly be perceptible.

Second, what you're seeing in how long it takes 2 different hubs to quit spinning, is a difference in the friction from the seals on the bearings. That tells you almost nothing of the actual friction loss of a hub under load.
correct! It may be that you're old wheels need the hubs rebuilt, also. Or at least, pulled apart & cleaned/regreased.
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Originally Posted by mrfreezesdefy3
I now have less rolling resistance , can't wait till fri pm and get out on the road with them ,,any way ...a guy can always hope .....
At least until Merlinextraligh bursts your bubble
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Nice wheels.

However, I'm afraid you'll notice virtually no difference in the friction of the hubs. First, hub friction is a pretty small part of the whole equation. So if you could somehow ride on a frictionless hub, the difference between that and a relatively good hub would hardly be perceptible.

Second, what you're seeing in how long it takes 2 different hubs to quit spinning, is a difference in the friction from the seals on the bearings. That tells you almost nothing of the actual friction loss of a hub under load.
Reality is such a buzz kill.
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Originally Posted by Blue Belly
correct! It may be that you're old wheels need the hubs rebuilt, also. Or at least, pulled apart & cleaned/regreased.


Shoot I hope their not that bad I bought my defy 3 in January .and I well maintain my bike ,,,
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Originally Posted by mrfreezesdefy3
Shoot I hope their not that bad I bought my defy 3 in January .and I well maintain my bike ,,,
They may be fine. Might just be a little more resistance in the bearings. Still, worth a look.
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Originally Posted by Blue Belly
correct! It may be that you're old wheels need the hubs rebuilt, also. Or at least, pulled apart & cleaned/regreased.
Or it may be the pawls in his stock freehub cause the wheel to slow faster.
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No infinite gears are better than pawls.
I rolled a new defy 3 wheel the other day that was still in the store, and it rolled just as short a time as mine on my stock wheelset, so I feel my new wheelset is far better , so that tells me that it's definately a lower class wheel set on the stock bike , I figured new look pedals, better seat , and now a new better custom built wheelset, next thing is to upgrade to an 11 speed rear ,and get rid of my Shimano sora ' and up grade to an ultegras system then I'm done , but as much surfing as I've done and reviewing on wheel sets imma have to disagree with you merlin it's gotta be better ,and I'll find out how much fri

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Enjoy your new wheels. That's a good quality build and should provide years of service.
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Small world. I run Hed Belgium C2's with DT Swiss 350 hubs (28/32) on one bike. Not the lightest - but neither am I - and the ride is great.
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Enjoy your new wheels. That's a good quality build and should provide years of service.
Indeed!! You can expect.....easily......a 2 to 3 second advantage over your previous record in your local 20 mile time trial. Perhaps even 4 seconds, depending on how aero those wheels really are.

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Originally Posted by mrfreezesdefy3
No infinite gears are better than pawls.
I rolled a new defy 3 wheel the other day that was still in the store, and it rolled just as short a time as mine on my stock wheelset, so I feel my new wheelset is far better , so that tells me that it's definately a lower class wheel set on the stock bike , I figured new look pedals, better seat , and now a new better custom built wheelset, next thing is to upgrade to an 11 speed rear ,and get rid of my Shimano sora ' and up grade to an ultegras system then I'm done , but as much surfing as I've done and reviewing on wheel sets imma have to disagree with you merlin it's gotta be better ,and I'll find out how much fri
Arguing with Merlin is not advised. He knows whereof he speaks. I declined to be a party pooper, but wheel spinning tells you essentially nothing. Nice wheels, but don't expect any noticeable speed difference. If they are lighter, you will possibly notice that, but it will be mostly aesthetic. Nothing wrong with that.
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I didn't mean to totally rain on your parade. Nice built stuff is nice to have. And having a second set of wheels is always good. Just don't except a perceptible difference in speed from smoother rolling hubs.
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Well after my first ride Friday pm I went to a 17.1 avg and had been at 15.5- 16 at the most , with the old wheelset I can definately tell that the new set is on there the slightest hills a ruled on and hills which I normally went down to small crank I was able to stay on big crank and just coasting was so sweet , definately worth every penny I spent on them heck at my halfway point I was avg 18.8 .I AIN'T NEVER went that high during a ride
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Originally Posted by mrfreezesdefy3
Well after my first ride Friday pm I went to a 17.1 avg and had been at 15.5- 16 at the most , with the old wheelset I can definately tell that the new set is on there the slightest hills a ruled on and hills which I normally went down to small crank I was able to stay on big crank and just coasting was so sweet , definately worth every penny I spent on them heck at my halfway point I was avg 18.8 .I AIN'T NEVER went that high during a ride
Um no.
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Originally Posted by mrfreezesdefy3
Well after my first ride Friday pm I went to a 17.1 avg and had been at 15.5- 16 at the most , with the old wheelset I can definately tell that the new set is on there the slightest hills a ruled on and hills which I normally went down to small crank I was able to stay on big crank and just coasting was so sweet , definately worth every penny I spent on them heck at my halfway point I was avg 18.8 .I AIN'T NEVER went that high during a ride
Sounds like they inspired you. New wheels rock.
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Originally Posted by mrfreezesdefy3
Well after my first ride Friday pm I went to a 17.1 avg and had been at 15.5- 16 at the most , with the old wheelset I can definately tell that the new set is on there the slightest hills a ruled on and hills which I normally went down to small crank I was able to stay on big crank and just coasting was so sweet , definately worth every penny I spent on them heck at my halfway point I was avg 18.8 .I AIN'T NEVER went that high during a ride
Well then, that's all the proof you need! Back in my car hot rodding daze we called it the butt-o-meter, if you spent the money, your butt was always sure it's faster. Placebo
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You are probably noticing an average speed increase due to:
1) Placebo effect of new gear. Nothing at all wrong with this! "17.1" is your new benchmark! Congratulations!
2) Lighter total rim/tire weight. Especially if your stock tires were wire beaded. The Continental GP 4000's are a great tire and "spin-up" really nice.
As Greg Lemond once said about the advantages of higher end kit, "It doesn't make it any easier... you just go faster!"
Happy trails with the new wheels... and soon you'll be pushing "20!"
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Originally Posted by KLiNCK
You are probably noticing an average speed increase due to:
1) Placebo effect of new gear. Nothing at all wrong with this! "17.1" is your new benchmark! Congratulations!
2) Lighter total rim/tire weight. Especially if your stock tires were wire beaded. The Continental GP 4000's are a great tire and "spin-up" really nice.
As Greg Lemond once said about the advantages of higher end kit, "It doesn't make it any easier... you just go faster!"
Happy trails with the new wheels... and soon you'll be pushing "20!"
Well, actually, that will require another set of wheels. Something $500 to $1K above the current price-point wheels.
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Originally Posted by KLiNCK
are a great tire and "spin-up"
I always hear people use that term and to this day can't figure out what is meant by it. Spin up faster when it's on the work stand, 0-20mph drag race?
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Well, actually, that will require another set of wheels. Something $500 to $1K above the current price-point wheels.
Ha ha! I hear you. Lower spoke count, deeper section, and more aero are always beneficial, but nothing increases your efficiency like well spent saddle time. The new wheel set has given the OP a new benchmark. If he enjoys riding the new wheels more ... he'll ride more and become a stronger rider.
You don't need $1500 wheels to go "20" (but it helps!)
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