McBTC

My Wellgo pedals are not compatible with toe clips. Too bad too as they provide a nice bit of area forward of the pedal spindle and something like that would really put the clips forward.

I've got the clips and straps. Lots of pedal options on Amazon and probably any are fine. Even so... Anyone have a specific pedal suggestion for easily accommodating midfoot riding?

halfspeed

Post your query on a BBS in 1989.

McBTC

Now that you mention it, the pedals and clips on the bike thought to have been ridden by Bob Roll (see post in forum) when he was on the 7-11 team is what I'm looking for...

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...-7-eleven.html

McBTC

WEWEEWEEE...

sort of retro but I have it on good authority that toe clips are enjoying a revival.

fietsbob

Fixie crowd spawned a wide strap to go with wide platform pedals ,, 2" wide velcro adjustable.

LesterOfPuppets

I'm not a fan of quill pedals like on that bike or of that other pedal you posted. Give me a good Suntour Superbe or Cyclone. If you really wanna get those pedals under your arches, you can run really long bolts and spacers.





Or if you wanna stick with Campagnolo, C-Record Pista:



Some pics from Velobase.com

Homebrew01

Why would you want pedals under your arches ?
It hurts just thinking about it.

doctor j

Mks gr9

LesterOfPuppets

Speaking of MKS, put deep clips, some long bolts and big spacers on and you could practically get your heel up on some Grip Kings I bet:

McBTC

It's a new world out there. The authority of some of old conventions are being questioned. As it turns out, the necessity of locating the pedal's axle under the ball of the foot is now one of them. Speedplay cleats are now allowing an additional 11mm of travel toward the midfoot. Further than that, flat pedals are a fairly hassle-free way to experiment with pedal position. Steve Hogg noted, when questioning the current orthodoxy, that no one is advocating a position that is more "in front of the pedal axle." I would like to try a more rearward pedal axle position than current cleat options allow --e.g., more than 11mm but not so much as to run into any toe overlap problems. The place where a fluid stroke can be maintained while spreading the load may be better --i.e., a position that may not necessarily be directly under the ball of the foot.

halfspeed

This idea has been on the fringes for at least a decade, and it still isn't catching on.

gregf83 

You're young or new to cycling. They've been questioned (and answered) before. At least with respect to foot position on the pedals. But there's nothing wrong with experimenting.

Road Fan

Lyotard Berthet, or something with similarly smooth top surfaces.

McBTC

The Triathletes are all over it. They feel they can run better after the ride. As for me, I've been experimenting with a recumbent trainer. With that I can make use of programs and as a result I've seen an increase in watt-production over a given time using the same program but that also includes shortening the cranks.

Perhaps the two best go hand-in-hand (and, the triathletes have been on the forefront of the shorter crank movement anyway). For me, without shorter cranks I'd probably have toe-overlap problems on my road bike with a more rearward cleat position.

What I also found interesting is that when using flat pedals on the trainer it's natural to let the feet go to where everything feels most comfortable and when doing that the pedal axle isn't in the same spot for both feet, which is not something I never considered when using SPD or Look cleats.

McBTC

At this point it's just a mockup, as the bolts are probably a 32nd too small and 1/4" too long. But, it's totally solid as it is and the correct parts are easily obtained. If desired, I probably can go more if needed without toe overlap as the shortening of the cranks eliminate that problem. I was surprised to see that with no adjustment, deep "LL" clips on road pedals accomplish nothing more that putting the ball of the foot over t pedal axle.

RoderWrench

Coming from BMX, I couldn't understand why road riders clipped in with the ball of the foot over the axle. It seemed so odd, especially when standing, to lever your foot like that. Then I discovered that you should point your toes down when you stand and it all made perfect sense. It's not a natural move for a flat pedaler, you risk sliding off the front of the pedal and losing a good chunk of your calve.

McBTC

But, pointing the toes -- ankling -- is roundly considered to be something we should not do. Pushing harder and/or faster is what's needed to go faster and it's all we can effectively do without hurting ourselves. Apparently, the legs aren't made for more than that or, as they say, that's what the pros would do to win races.

halfspeed

By whom?

McBTC

--e.g., Pedal Stroke Myth Busting | Cycling-Review.com

... didn't watch the video but, pretty funny about, how to ride like Cavendish.

RoderWrench

I thought ankling was pulling up on the pedals, I didn't say anything about that. My point was, if you lift your heels (or point your toes downward) when standing and pedaling, it takes the pressure off your feet.

McBTC

Ankling is the "wipe the dog **** off your shoe" pedal stroke...

halfspeed

The conclusion of the article you posted:

"I’m still convinced that it’s helpful to do the ‘scrape dog poop off the bottom of your shoe’ routine, as well as trying to ‘pedal over the top’. But for the most part, don’t go overboard trying to maintain the same pressure on the pedals throughout the circle…it just isn’t going to happen."

Try again.

McBTC

From the link above:

JohnDThompson 

The MKS "Urban Platform" is the modern incarnation of the Lyotard "Berthet" pedal. Seems pretty nice as long as you don't use a slotted cleat -- unlike the Lyotard original, this pedal has nothing to hold such a cleat.

RoderWrench

i watched the video. Ankling happens at the bottom of the downstroke, when you lift your ankle and scrape your shoe. Cook agrees with me, on the down stroke, your heel should be up, to rotate the crank. If your foot was level, you would be pushing down and attempting to compress the crank. Your idea of what a ankling is, is wrong.