Tune Shifting With Otto iPhone App?
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Tune Shifting With Otto iPhone App?
I can't recall seeing anyone post on this: Otto Design Rear Derailleur Tuning App
$39 for some molded plastic with "targets" on it? The accuracy claims seem impressive, but the price seems excessive, in light of what's out there for free: video 1, video 2. Not to mention, the name reminds me of something else:
Originally Posted by Otto Design Works
The OTTO Tuning System is a patent-pending system developed by a team of the best in the fields of computer science, photogrammetry, mechanical engineering, and App development.
OTTO operates from the simple principle of ensuring the bicycle derailleur jockey pulley is parallel to and aligned directly below the cassette gear selected at every shift. A vision alignment system built on the iPhone front facing camera platform and Siri’s voice guidance is used in combination with a set of OTTO Gauges to precisely locate all critical components of a bicycle’s drive system.
Each OTTO Gauge is designed with unique mounting features that allow it to perfectly align to its assigned bicycle component. The multidimensional shape of each gauge along with the vision targets allow the gauges to be identified and located in 3-dimensional space with a precision better than 0.001 inches from a single image. The distance and angles between components in the same image can be measured precisely with this method. Comparing positions of the bicycle components over multiple images provides distance traveled and the system records the positions of all major derailleur components at necessary shift points.
Statistical methods are used with the recorded shift positions to find the component location adjustment to restore the bicycle to perfect shifting. Algorithms use this information to calculate the ideal settings which are communicated to the user through the OTTO software. The system will either confirm the bicycle component has been adjusted to its ideal location, or it will provide the user with a refined derailleur adjustment.
OTTO operates from the simple principle of ensuring the bicycle derailleur jockey pulley is parallel to and aligned directly below the cassette gear selected at every shift. A vision alignment system built on the iPhone front facing camera platform and Siri’s voice guidance is used in combination with a set of OTTO Gauges to precisely locate all critical components of a bicycle’s drive system.
Each OTTO Gauge is designed with unique mounting features that allow it to perfectly align to its assigned bicycle component. The multidimensional shape of each gauge along with the vision targets allow the gauges to be identified and located in 3-dimensional space with a precision better than 0.001 inches from a single image. The distance and angles between components in the same image can be measured precisely with this method. Comparing positions of the bicycle components over multiple images provides distance traveled and the system records the positions of all major derailleur components at necessary shift points.
Statistical methods are used with the recorded shift positions to find the component location adjustment to restore the bicycle to perfect shifting. Algorithms use this information to calculate the ideal settings which are communicated to the user through the OTTO software. The system will either confirm the bicycle component has been adjusted to its ideal location, or it will provide the user with a refined derailleur adjustment.
09-11-15, 12:17 PM
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Another solution in need of a problem. Seriously, how hard is it to properly adjust a rear derailleur? Add to that the lack of versatility, i.e., no Android or Campagnolo support, and what you've got is just another gadget that'll end up in a drawer somewhere collecting dusk.
09-11-15, 12:26 PM
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If it could speed up the process, it would be nice for a shop. Even a minute or two faster, and it would pay for itself in a couple of weeks.
Might actually slow the process down, farking with the tool though.
Might actually slow the process down, farking with the tool though.
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adjusting a derailleur consists of turning a barrel adjuster. its not ****ing rocket surgery, which is what this is making it out to be.
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They're turning a 30 second operation into a complex convoluted 5 minute process.
#ripoff
Originally Posted by Otto
The OTTO Tuning System - 10 & 11 speed cassette version is $59, including a free app download from the App Store. The OTTO Tuning System - 9, 10 & 11 speed cassette version will be $79, including a free app download from the App store. This combination SKU allows for both Road and MTB Gauges to purchased both at discount. A 9 speed cassette only version will be released in the future for those with a MTB or older model bicycle only. OTTO Pro, an in-app upgrade, is available for $9.99, allows multi-bike owners the option of saving unlimited bike profiles. This upgrade will include Pro Diagnostics outputs, such as Derailleur Hanger Bend Angle and Exact Actual Gear Position (for Di2) in a future release.
09-11-15, 01:13 PM
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I bought one. Haven't used it yet. Will let you guys know what I think of it after I use it a few times if there is still interest.
09-11-15, 02:36 PM
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I see it as an interesting doohickey that will be useful to someone who has no idea how to tune a derailleur. If they have any mechanical aptitude, it will only take them a couple of uses to realize it's much, much, MUCH easier to do it the old fashioned way. Then it gets relegated to the junk drawer.
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Please do I tried to do mine once by watching a youtube video and I couldn't even find the parts I was supposed to adjust and just dropped the bike off at the shop and picked it up the next day.
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09-11-15, 04:18 PM
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Too, just as Keep-On-Kovers, et al., are now more or less pirated on eBay (another cycling accessory simply molded from plastic), I would imagine-- assuming the tool works effectively-- that someone would pirate it. The "targets" on the thing look like stickers.
But I would be interested to read how you find using it, whether it is effective, etc.
09-11-15, 04:22 PM
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I bought it straight from them, paid $39. I thought it was a good idea, thought I'd give it a try. Why not. I don't know what all the fuss is about. In the world of road cycling, $39 ain't $hit.
09-11-15, 04:56 PM
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The accuracy of the app assumes that all else is perfect. We all know what assume means, don't we?
Oh and since you brought it up. The next time you find a $20 bill burning a hole in your pocket, send it my way I'll put it to good use.
Oh and since you brought it up. The next time you find a $20 bill burning a hole in your pocket, send it my way I'll put it to good use.
09-11-15, 06:28 PM
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Silver, when you get a chance to try it out let the rest of us know (cheap #@#es in here notwithstanding). Would be really interesting to do a normal by eye and ear tune, then see if the tool asked you to adjust.
Looks very interesting use of vision from an engineering standpoint.
Looks very interesting use of vision from an engineering standpoint.
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True, that.
Agreed on both counts. Truth be told, I followed one of the Youtube videos to adjust my RD-6700, but I feel like the shifting isn't as good as when the bike was new. Replacement cables were installed only 2000 miles ago. To my eye, it looks dead on alignment-wise, but the shifting is sometimes sluggish.
Agreed on both counts. Truth be told, I followed one of the Youtube videos to adjust my RD-6700, but I feel like the shifting isn't as good as when the bike was new. Replacement cables were installed only 2000 miles ago. To my eye, it looks dead on alignment-wise, but the shifting is sometimes sluggish.
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09-11-15, 06:45 PM
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Disappointed.
From the thread title, I assumed someone had finally written an app to automatically change the tempo of mp3 played on a phone so that the music matches your pedal cadence.
It's so annoying to pedal to music off tempo.
From the thread title, I assumed someone had finally written an app to automatically change the tempo of mp3 played on a phone so that the music matches your pedal cadence.
It's so annoying to pedal to music off tempo.
09-11-15, 08:00 PM
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Their marketing should include "as seen on BikeSnobNYC!".
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LOL, I have never ridden while listening to music, and had never considered this. Can you increase your cadence sustainably by listening to something with a sufficiently fast beat? With regard to an "on-tempo" beat, what songs do you find to be optimal?
09-11-15, 10:08 PM
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I listen if riding rollers indoors, never on the road.
My cadence is fine, so I'm not really trying to increase it with music. It's just that songs I would otherwise enjoy are maybe just a little faster or slower and don't match precisely. It's an annoyance.
My cadence is fine, so I'm not really trying to increase it with music. It's just that songs I would otherwise enjoy are maybe just a little faster or slower and don't match precisely. It's an annoyance.
09-12-15, 07:31 AM
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I agree, If everything is working properly. It might be helpful identifying problems such as a slightly bent hanger or rd cage. These are difficult because everything looks ok, but shifting is still poor.