Seattle Forrest

You would be wrong; the average American doesn't need to know how many yards are in a mile.

Fly2High

How does need relate to ability and whether my statement was accurate?

It is like everyone needs a brain but not many are able to use it.

poor rebuttal.

joejack951

If for no other reason than cleaning up the appearance of some of the text, a little tip:

Hold down the [alt] key and type 0176 to get the degree symbol: °

JohnDThompson 

I have a windbreaker with removable sleeves. Often, if I leave the sleeves on, my arms get very sweaty, but if I go without the windbreaker entirely, I get chilled. With the sleeves off, it's a vest, and keeps my torso warm while allowing the sweat to evaporate off my arms.

RPK79

Why would the average American fill up their brain with useless trivia like 'how many yards are in a mile'? I would need to Google that and it says nothing about my level of intelligence, only that my field of interest does not lay in measurement conversions.

JohnDThompson 

Or fleece-lined shoes…

Seattle Forrest

It's a play on words, because your prediction could be understood to mean at least two different things. And I demonstrated that one of them is inaccurate; Americans don't need a calculator because we don't have to convert between C and F. But I'm glad you feel like you have a superior brain, you should train it to tell the difference between banter and scientific debate.

Sy Reene

Thanks for sharing your experience. Reason I was curious is that i just bought a week ago a softshell jacket with zip-off sleeves (Castelli Poggio Convertible) as I came across a great price. Since then I was trying to envision just exactly when I would ride with the vest on and sleeves off, as most people seem to indicate that as weather gets cooler, the first thing they add is arm warmers. So, was thinking that to go out with the jacket, and as I heat up, I might still want my arms (extremities) covered and would be more interested in losing the vest (since I'd be wearing a jersey and/or base layer under it anyway.

Also made me wonder if anyone makes a short-sleeve jacket with detachable (zip-on/off) arm warmers. I'm pretty sure I can't just wear the sleeves from my new jacket without the vest without looking completely dorky.

C9H13N 

If you're on Chrome OS, you have to press ctrl-shift-U+00b0 to make sentences like "I usually wear tights if it's less than 10° C."

Mike F

Since when did everybody become such a bunch flaming male reproductive organs?

Seattle Forrest

On a cool and crisp day, you might need the vest over your long sleeve base layer for the ride up the mountain, and then add the sleeves you zipped off for the ride back down.

Riveting

I got this cycling jacket last fall for $140 (Gore Windstopper Softshell) and I wore it with nothing underneath from 60 F, down to 25 F with a single thin baselayer. Though you get a little cold changing flats. And it has removeable sleeves if it gets too hot. I just ordered some Pearl Izumi AmFib bib tights to go with it for this coming fall/winter. I should be awesomely windproof.

mercator

I realize that everyone has different local climates and levels of tolerance for cold, so our recommendations are inherently biased. Here are my biases for where I live:

- Typical temperature range in spring-fall: -5° to +35°C (23°-95°F), winter range is -28° to +15° (-20° - 59°F)
- Semi-arid environment, rain in the winter is vanishingly rare
- In the winter we can get several weeks of really fantastic cold, dry days with clear skies and blinding sunlight (for about 6 hours )
- I have a fairly high tolerance for cold, at least for the first hour or so.

For me, a nice softshell jacket, a selection of base layers, and a rain shell give me all the warmth I need for temps below about 10°C (50°F).
Once it gets below about -20°C I have more issues with gloves, face coverings, and cold feet to bother riding for more than an hour at a time. For that reason, bib tights just never got into my wardrobe. Bib shorts with regular tights work for me. As always, YMMV

Seattle Forrest

patrickgm60

Is that for Celsius or Fahrenheit?

mprelaw

Because geography, and weights and measures, were things that people my age learned in grammar school. Seriously. Memory training. 1,760 yards = 1 mile. Or 5,280 feet.

Funny how all you guys bandy about grams, and the weight weenies fret over saving 20 grams here, 30 grams there. You really should learn how small an amount of weight 20 grams is, if you're not aware of it.

RPK79

Yeah, we learn lots of useless crap that quickly becomes forgotten in grammar school. That's how "Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader" became a thing.

You quoted the wrong guy to start going on a weight weenie topic. Both my bikes are steel and weigh more than 10,000 grams.

mprelaw

Memories are funny things. Right now, I can only remember half of the names of the women I dated in my life, but I remember useless crap from 5th grade.

lkngro

For most weather in the fall I can get by with a synthetic base layer (Under Armour or the like) under my jersey, and light gloves. If need be, I'll wear simple running tights from Eastbay (~$20) under my chamois shorts and heavier gloves.

WalksOn2Wheels

I received a degree from a very fine school which required lots and LOTS of conversion from metric to English units and back again, and again, and again.. Never, ever, ever, ever did yards matter.

I think common weights and measurements are handy (Understanding roughly how many ounces in a half liter, pound to kg, mile to km, that sort of thing), but why oh why did you decide to pick out one of the most useless distance measurements known to man?

WalksOn2Wheels

I'm now imagining being in line at the grocery store and the guy behind me suddenly taps me on the shoulder and says, "Go ahead, ask me how many yards are in a mile!"

RPK79

I used yards a lot when I used to golf. I never once wondered how many miles it was to the hole.

joejack951

I think you type 0097.77 to get Celcius. Maybe then type + 32. Or is it + 273?

RPK79

More likely would be telling someone how many miles you rode over the weekend and them asking, "Oh, you rode 75 miles, how many yards would that be?".

WalksOn2Wheels