Bicycling Magazine and Carbon Knocks Offs
10-19-15, 11:11 AM
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It does?
I just did a search for "carbon wheelset 700c clincher" on EBay. The lookalike/fake/whatever unbranded wheels from China? All sub $400, all 50-80mm depth...Almost all had FREE shipping from China to the USA. Yes they take the slow boat ePacket shipping, but it is free.
Dunno where you're shopping and seeing $50 shipping. Sure there are a few, but most have El Cheapo ePacket shipping.
I just did a search for "carbon wheelset 700c clincher" on EBay. The lookalike/fake/whatever unbranded wheels from China? All sub $400, all 50-80mm depth...Almost all had FREE shipping from China to the USA. Yes they take the slow boat ePacket shipping, but it is free.
Dunno where you're shopping and seeing $50 shipping. Sure there are a few, but most have El Cheapo ePacket shipping.
10-19-15, 11:38 AM
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Oh contraire, they are a large part of the problem of cheapo knock-off imports:
The Postal Service is losing millions a year to help you buy cheap stuff from China - The Washington Post
The Postal Service is losing millions a year to help you buy cheap stuff from China - The Washington Post
According to the article about Chinese ePacket mail and quoting the Postal Service’s inspector general’s office. "That report estimated that the Postal Service was losing about a dollar on each incoming item, adding up to a $29.4 million net loss in 2012."
A loss of $29.4 million. The operating budget of USPS is about $68 billion. With a B.
This article was probably ghost written by the:
- Couriers in yet another attempt to undermine the public postal service and convert what is a relatively benevolent public service into a private cartel/monopoly.
- Trade protectionists of whatever stripe - who think the borders should be shut down in order to force our domestic plebs to buy from their domestic masters.
10-19-15, 12:14 PM
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Not worth my while right now, but i'd bet there is plenty of info about the Post Office's operation--after all, it is a government agency.
10-19-15, 01:00 PM
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It puts the loss into perspective. Consider that this is your company & it has revenue of $1,000 annually and someone tells you that the shipments you're doing from China are losing you just over 43¢. That puts it in perspective.
10-19-15, 02:25 PM
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Anyway, this is a cycling forum ... I don't want to waste your time and mine on this. If I can get gear from China at a decent price and free shipping, things are good ... so far ...
10-19-15, 02:29 PM
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Actually you don't see that since I didn't originally refer to any aspect of the finances of the USPS. I saw the discussion, found their 2014 income statement and quoted revenue from it. I'm not disputing that it's a loss, so your comment on other profitable departments doesn't make sense. I'm commenting on the immateriality of the amount. As I said, if my revenue is $1,000 I'm not going to lose sleep over a 43¢ loss on one service that I provide.
10-19-15, 06:07 PM
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First, as a curmudgeonly old fart, I think all carbon frames are deathtraps and accidents waiting to happen. Take a tumble? Better get it X-rayed, because the next step could be catastrophic failure at anytime without warning. Oh, can't do that out in the middle of nowhere in some godforsaken red state? Better hope and pray, and what do they say about hoping in one hand... ? Is all of that really worth it for a few pounds of extra weight? Bottom line, steel is real.
Also, this bike was ordered from a site that apparently sells all manner of cheap-ass Chinese junk. Did you *really* think you were getting the real deal, pal? He would've been a lot farther ahead if he'd ordered his cycling tupperware from Bikes Direct. Then, he would've legitimately gotten the same frame made in the same factories, but without the fancy decals and at about 1/3 of the price.
Also, this bike was ordered from a site that apparently sells all manner of cheap-ass Chinese junk. Did you *really* think you were getting the real deal, pal? He would've been a lot farther ahead if he'd ordered his cycling tupperware from Bikes Direct. Then, he would've legitimately gotten the same frame made in the same factories, but without the fancy decals and at about 1/3 of the price.
10-19-15, 06:16 PM
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First, as a curmudgeonly old fart, I think all carbon frames are deathtraps and accidents waiting to happen. Take a tumble? Better get it X-rayed, because the next step could be catastrophic failure at anytime without warning. Oh, can't do that out in the middle of nowhere in some godforsaken red state? Better hope and pray, and what do they say about hoping in one hand... ? Is all of that really worth it for a few pounds of extra weight? Bottom line, steel is real.
Also, this bike was ordered from a site that apparently sells all manner of cheap-ass Chinese junk. Did you *really* think you were getting the real deal, pal? He would've been a lot farther ahead if he'd ordered his cycling tupperware from Bikes Direct. Then, he would've legitimately gotten the same frame made in the same factories, but without the fancy decals and at about 1/3 of the price.
Also, this bike was ordered from a site that apparently sells all manner of cheap-ass Chinese junk. Did you *really* think you were getting the real deal, pal? He would've been a lot farther ahead if he'd ordered his cycling tupperware from Bikes Direct. Then, he would've legitimately gotten the same frame made in the same factories, but without the fancy decals and at about 1/3 of the price.
10-19-15, 06:19 PM
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First, as a curmudgeonly old fart, I think all carbon frames are deathtraps and accidents waiting to happen. Take a tumble? Better get it X-rayed, because the next step could be catastrophic failure at anytime without warning. Oh, can't do that out in the middle of nowhere in some godforsaken red state? Better hope and pray, and what do they say about hoping in one hand... ? Is all of that really worth it for a few pounds of extra weight? Bottom line, steel is real.
Also, this bike was ordered from a site that apparently sells all manner of cheap-ass Chinese junk. Did you *really* think you were getting the real deal, pal? He would've been a lot farther ahead if he'd ordered his cycling tupperware from Bikes Direct. Then, he would've legitimately gotten the same frame made in the same factories, but without the fancy decals and at about 1/3 of the price.
Also, this bike was ordered from a site that apparently sells all manner of cheap-ass Chinese junk. Did you *really* think you were getting the real deal, pal? He would've been a lot farther ahead if he'd ordered his cycling tupperware from Bikes Direct. Then, he would've legitimately gotten the same frame made in the same factories, but without the fancy decals and at about 1/3 of the price.
10-19-15, 06:46 PM
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First, as a curmudgeonly old fart, I think all carbon frames are deathtraps and accidents waiting to happen. Take a tumble? Better get it X-rayed, because the next step could be catastrophic failure at anytime without warning. Oh, can't do that out in the middle of nowhere in some godforsaken red state? Better hope and pray, and what do they say about hoping in one hand... ? Is all of that really worth it for a few pounds of extra weight? Bottom line, steel is real.
Also, this bike was ordered from a site that apparently sells all manner of cheap-ass Chinese junk. Did you *really* think you were getting the real deal, pal? He would've been a lot farther ahead if he'd ordered his cycling tupperware from Bikes Direct. Then, he would've legitimately gotten the same frame made in the same factories, but without the fancy decals and at about 1/3 of the price.
Also, this bike was ordered from a site that apparently sells all manner of cheap-ass Chinese junk. Did you *really* think you were getting the real deal, pal? He would've been a lot farther ahead if he'd ordered his cycling tupperware from Bikes Direct. Then, he would've legitimately gotten the same frame made in the same factories, but without the fancy decals and at about 1/3 of the price.
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First, as a curmudgeonly old fart, I think all carbon frames are deathtraps and accidents waiting to happen. Take a tumble? Better get it X-rayed, because the next step could be catastrophic failure at anytime without warning. Oh, can't do that out in the middle of nowhere in some godforsaken red state? Better hope and pray, and what do they say about hoping in one hand... ? Is all of that really worth it for a few pounds of extra weight? Bottom line, steel is real.
Also, this bike was ordered from a site that apparently sells all manner of cheap-ass Chinese junk. Did you *really* think you were getting the real deal, pal? He would've been a lot farther ahead if he'd ordered his cycling tupperware from Bikes Direct. Then, he would've legitimately gotten the same frame made in the same factories, but without the fancy decals and at about 1/3 of the price.
Also, this bike was ordered from a site that apparently sells all manner of cheap-ass Chinese junk. Did you *really* think you were getting the real deal, pal? He would've been a lot farther ahead if he'd ordered his cycling tupperware from Bikes Direct. Then, he would've legitimately gotten the same frame made in the same factories, but without the fancy decals and at about 1/3 of the price.
10-19-15, 07:53 PM
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i often wonder if posters are as charming in person as they appear to be from their posts in the forum. 
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Budget has nothing to do with Profit. Their budget could be quadrillions; if cost was greater than revenue, they would be losing money.
Not worth my while right now, but i'd bet there is plenty of info about the Post Office's operation--after all, it is a government agency.
Not worth my while right now, but i'd bet there is plenty of info about the Post Office's operation--after all, it is a government agency.
10-20-15, 05:52 AM
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Bingo on the sarcasim but I'm not sure how to ....
...equate anti-freeze in tooth past or killer pet food with the essence of capitalism?
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Several errors in this. USPS is an independent establishment of the Executive branch of goverment. It's often referred to as a quasi agency. But it's not a corporation, must less a government corporation that GAO decided. They also receive taxpayer support through annual funding to mail for blind citizens and deliver absentee ballots for citizens overseas. More importantly they are exempt from all federal, state, and local taxes including property taxes.
10-21-15, 12:48 PM
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If we disregarded all Chinese manufactured frames, then there wouldn't be very many bicycles bought today.
The people that make counterfeits, don't care about quality or intellectual rights. If they're willing to blatantly ripoff companies, then they're also willing to ripoff the person they're selling to. They'll often sell a few over ebay or the chinese version of it, and then change their contact information and go on to the next bunch of people. So trying to contact them again, may be impossible. They're crooks trying to fool people into believing their legitimate.
The people that make frames, but don't represent them as a Pinarello or Cervelo or another brand are more legitimate, and are using open source frames. They don't misrepresent them, and they want repeat business and word of mouth business.
So, it doesn't surprise me that counterfeit frames would be as dangerous as the article represents them. Chinese open source frames should be much better in quality.
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10-21-15, 12:58 PM
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This.
If we disregarded all Chinese manufactured frames, then there wouldn't be very many bicycles bought today.
The people that make counterfeits, don't care about quality or intellectual rights. If they're willing to blatantly ripoff companies, then they're also willing to ripoff the person they're selling to. They'll often sell a few over ebay or the chinese version of it, and then change their contact information and go on to the next bunch of people. So trying to contact them again, may be impossible. They're crooks trying to fool people into believing their legitimate.
The people that make frames, but don't represent them as a Pinarello or Cervelo or another brand are more legitimate, and are using open source frames. They don't misrepresent them, and they want repeat business and word of mouth business.
So, it doesn't surprise me that counterfeit frames would be as dangerous as the article represents them. Chinese open source frames should be much better in quality.
GJ
If we disregarded all Chinese manufactured frames, then there wouldn't be very many bicycles bought today.
The people that make counterfeits, don't care about quality or intellectual rights. If they're willing to blatantly ripoff companies, then they're also willing to ripoff the person they're selling to. They'll often sell a few over ebay or the chinese version of it, and then change their contact information and go on to the next bunch of people. So trying to contact them again, may be impossible. They're crooks trying to fool people into believing their legitimate.
The people that make frames, but don't represent them as a Pinarello or Cervelo or another brand are more legitimate, and are using open source frames. They don't misrepresent them, and they want repeat business and word of mouth business.
So, it doesn't surprise me that counterfeit frames would be as dangerous as the article represents them. Chinese open source frames should be much better in quality.
GJ
