Explain the rain bike to me
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for me, if I were going to have a 'rain bike' it would just be a CX style or gravel bike with the appropriate SKS fender/guards on it.... I can use it for MUP trail, rain, etc when I don't wanna use my Synapse. it would be a "rain" bike, but it would still be used for dry rides for other purposes. just how I would do it....
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BTW:
https://www.weather.com/storms/severe...izona-20140803
https://news.azpm.org/p/local-news/2...izona-highway/
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My main ride is also my rain bike. It has a stainless steel frame, and only takes a few seconds to install/remove SKS Raceblade fenders.
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There's no such thing a light rain in this area. We get soaking downpours(usually with heavy winds) for 30 mins that cause flash floods. The minor flooding will usually wash every thorn in the desert onto the road, and cause puncture flats on the next ride.
Light rain would be refreshing on a hot ride, but that never happens here.
Light rain would be refreshing on a hot ride, but that never happens here.
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A rain bike should cost less than a DA or Red cassette. And you don't want to wear that thing down with all the grit you pick up riding in the rain. Also, fenders and wider tires.
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My understanding is a rain bike is the cheapest bike you can ride comfortably for all your rides on days when the weather is terrible and your main ride would endure unnecessary abuse.
This is not a "jewels vs. tools" thing, it is about properly caring for your tools. Riding in the rain eats bikes, not because of rust, but because fine grit gets pushed into every bearing surface and juncture, from the bottom bracket to every link of the chain, and then grinds away at all your mechanicals. Also, you don't want to be swapping fenders on and off your regular ride after every rainy day.
Plus, it is a reason to own yet another bike (n+1 as was noted above.)
No difficult concepts there.
This is not a "jewels vs. tools" thing, it is about properly caring for your tools. Riding in the rain eats bikes, not because of rust, but because fine grit gets pushed into every bearing surface and juncture, from the bottom bracket to every link of the chain, and then grinds away at all your mechanicals. Also, you don't want to be swapping fenders on and off your regular ride after every rainy day.
Plus, it is a reason to own yet another bike (n+1 as was noted above.)
No difficult concepts there.
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Got caught in the rain today. Rain bike was at home. Doh!
Had to wash the good bike and pick grit out of the brakes when I got home.
Had to wash the good bike and pick grit out of the brakes when I got home.
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My rain bike is painted steel.
My sun bike is raw steel.
My sun bike is raw steel.
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In some sense, it is counter-intuitive. However, many object to the use of carbon in road bikes and will not ride such a thing, for reasons of safety, aesthetics, ride, etc.
Ti is expensive, not as common as steel, and introduces other issues. I'd love to ride one for a length of time some day though.
Aluminum has its applications, like Ti, and I have an aluminum bike. It's a fast bike but not the strongest or most rugged, so in that sense, I'd prefer my "rain" or "outdoor" bike NOT be aluminum.
Steel, IMHO, offers the better ride of the available options, has been used the longest and has been proven to be the most durable, rustable or not.
Now, I have more than one bike, but I never looked at such things so binary - rain bike and non-rain bike. These choices presume much of course. I tend to avoid heavy rains, due to the grit mentioned earlier, but a light rain is fine. I don't ride a beater in the rain, but a nice touring bike that I've specifically prepped a bit for the elements - all stainless hardware, marine grease, fenders, etc. Now, someone that commutes and has no choice in the matter, may want something that can be punished with a bit more punch. An old aluminum MTB would likely work very well...
Ti is expensive, not as common as steel, and introduces other issues. I'd love to ride one for a length of time some day though.
Aluminum has its applications, like Ti, and I have an aluminum bike. It's a fast bike but not the strongest or most rugged, so in that sense, I'd prefer my "rain" or "outdoor" bike NOT be aluminum.
Steel, IMHO, offers the better ride of the available options, has been used the longest and has been proven to be the most durable, rustable or not.
Now, I have more than one bike, but I never looked at such things so binary - rain bike and non-rain bike. These choices presume much of course. I tend to avoid heavy rains, due to the grit mentioned earlier, but a light rain is fine. I don't ride a beater in the rain, but a nice touring bike that I've specifically prepped a bit for the elements - all stainless hardware, marine grease, fenders, etc. Now, someone that commutes and has no choice in the matter, may want something that can be punished with a bit more punch. An old aluminum MTB would likely work very well...
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As someone who owned Raceblades....they suck...
They just suck. They don't stay in place aligned with your wheels, so they rub your tires making noise as well as wearing down your tires. The rubber straps flap in the breeze and don't stay secure and start whacking your spokes too. Shoot they don't even keep you dry as they don't adequately cover your wheels. They are just a small step above useless.
Until you've ridden full proper fenders...you don't get how badly the raceblades suck. Even Sheldon Brown agreed with me: Fenders For Your Bicycle
Also most carbon road bikes cannot fit 28s...many cannot fit 25s without rubbing, and tires rubbing on carbon mean frame damage.
They just suck. They don't stay in place aligned with your wheels, so they rub your tires making noise as well as wearing down your tires. The rubber straps flap in the breeze and don't stay secure and start whacking your spokes too. Shoot they don't even keep you dry as they don't adequately cover your wheels. They are just a small step above useless.
Until you've ridden full proper fenders...you don't get how badly the raceblades suck. Even Sheldon Brown agreed with me: Fenders For Your Bicycle
Also most carbon road bikes cannot fit 28s...many cannot fit 25s without rubbing, and tires rubbing on carbon mean frame damage.
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This is not a "jewels vs. tools" thing, it is about properly caring for your tools. Riding in the rain eats bikes, not because of rust, but because fine grit gets pushed into every bearing surface and juncture, from the bottom bracket to every link of the chain, and then grinds away at all your mechanicals. Also, you don't want to be swapping fenders on and off your regular ride after every rainy day.
Plus, it is a reason to own yet another bike (n+1 as was noted above.)
No difficult concepts there.
Plus, it is a reason to own yet another bike (n+1 as was noted above.)
No difficult concepts there.
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But the biggest thing is: Lighten Up. I am just not that serious about all this stuff ("My new component in .02 grams less than yours so I am better!!") It really is a matter of preference, preserving a nice bike with a little less effort, and really an excuse to own more than one bike.
As for a false economy ... depends what you buy (or don't sell) as a "rain bike. But since it is really "a bike" it has nothing to do with economy--it is about owning and riding bikes, which (around here) is way more about emotion than reason.
For a commuter, maintenance is often done weekly (I used to leave at about 7 a.m. and get home at 11 p.m. or so, eat and sleep and do it again five or six days a week.) A cheap bike is useful in a rainy spell in that case because likely it won't even be washed for a week, and likely it will be raining for a few days in a row.
I wouldn't own an expensive bike for an urban commute anyway unless I had an indoor lockup, and then it is useless for post-work errands, classes, etc. because not many stores or classrooms let you bring your bike inside. Theft, potholes, and collision are too real an issue in an urban environment (IME.)
Of course (as others have mentioned) the rain bike can also be set up with fenders. A commuter is not likely to want to have to get up every morning, guess if it will rain, and attach or detach fenders depending.
But for the most part I have never taken this thread seriously--as I noted, there is Nothing hard to understand about people wanting a second bike, a cheaper bike, or a bike to set up for inclement weather.
The whole thread seems kind of mildly humorous to me--I certainly don't want to get anyone riled up with my half-baked opinions.
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Here in Seattle we see quite a bit of rain. Having a rain bike, while not a must, is definitely nice. My rain bike has fenders and hydraulic disc brakes and I much prefer ridding it in the rain over my nice weather bike. If you are going to live by the N + 1 rule then why not have a rain bike? It's just an excuse to have another bike.
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I rarely take my Not Raining Bike out any More ..
I have an old MTB I leave the studded tires, on even though ice is not a consistant annual road feature..
I have an old MTB I leave the studded tires, on even though ice is not a consistant annual road feature..
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My rain bike is actually my best bike for the simple reason that it gets the most use.
It's steel, but what I like about it is that it takes fenders (just barely -- when I had it made, I told the builder I only wanted room for 23's since I never ride anything else), you don't have to be careful with torque, and I can be hard on it. The bike itself is only 21 lbs, so it's hardly a tank.
I do run cheaper wheels on it than on my other bikes because I destroy my rims. My commute to work has over 1000' of climbing on pretty steep roads so I never get more than 2 years out of a set.
Rust is a nonissue. You can put tens of thousands of miles on over a period of years and might get a little, but not enough to mess things up.
It's steel, but what I like about it is that it takes fenders (just barely -- when I had it made, I told the builder I only wanted room for 23's since I never ride anything else), you don't have to be careful with torque, and I can be hard on it. The bike itself is only 21 lbs, so it's hardly a tank.
I do run cheaper wheels on it than on my other bikes because I destroy my rims. My commute to work has over 1000' of climbing on pretty steep roads so I never get more than 2 years out of a set.
Rust is a nonissue. You can put tens of thousands of miles on over a period of years and might get a little, but not enough to mess things up.
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How do those brakes work??? What kind of levers are those? Linear pull brakes take a different type of lever AFAIK.
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I live in Seattle. It rains here. The best way to handle rain is with fenders. Also, I prefer slightly fatter tires (bigger contact patch) and a slightly longer wheelbase. Steel is fine if you treat the tubes from time to time. I had this frame built recently as my ultimate rain bike. Before that I was using a Surly Cross Check. Anyway, riding in the rain is great if you have the right bike and clothing.
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