ErichVonCartman

Don't mind him. He has really NOT provided any useful info in any of his posts, all he does is HATEZ.

As for what you posted about hot spots, it is common knowledge to SOME, but NOT to ALL. There is nothing wrong with rehashing the same points because it will be new to some, and even if it is "old" to some of us, it is still a great reminder.

shakey start

Not sure about the term "slippery", however I had the standard Zero's and they were difficult to clip-in, even at my 170# weight. I switched to the Light Action Zero's and it was like night and day...much easier and consistent. Also, I have yet to accidently un-clip either. Talking with Speedplay, they assured me that they had minimal complaints about accidental unclipping with the Light Action Zero's. The "float" is smooth (slippery?) and basically the same on all Zero's that I've used.

I think my Frogs are a little easier to clip into, but they are also easier to un-clip, good for MTB, not good for road.

As far as "hotspots", for my limited experience it's been the tightness of the shoe. Sometimes I cinch up the velcro too tight, so if I have that sensation, I loosen it up a bit. I also have custom orthotics that may also help.

noodle soup

I'm not sure what HATEZ is, but I was pointing out that Lazyass actually knows more about hot spot causes than he gives himself credit for. You are also correct about a stiff sole being helpful, but shoe fit is also important.

One thing is certain, pedal choice has nothing to do with it.

Ray9

https://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...p;d=1424746096

I tried everything to get them to work. The shop guys tried everything as well. If I got them tight enough to clip they were too tight to unclip and this was problematic as you can imagine. I loved the way they felt as I was riding. It was almost as if there was nothing under my foot. My Looks are much more user friendly and they never give me issues.

ErichVonCartman

we are all in agreement there (about pedal choices).

noodle soup

Sadly, many fitters wil use pedals as a starting point. When they change the cleats, they usually change the placement of the foot/spindle, and the hot spots disappear because the placement is corrected. The new pedal had nothing to do with it.

If the sole is too flexible or poor fitting, this doesn't help much, but I would look at the cheap fix first.

ErichVonCartman

See this is good info. and though it might be old news to me, it is NOT old news to all. Many will appreciate this new info, and even myself, I need to be reminded of this.

About time you quit being a Haterz!

noodle soup

I'm still not sure what you mean by "Haterz".

I see that in my 12 year old daughter's texts often.

FLvector

ErichVonCartman

That is because your daughter is capable of learning. She is picking up the lingo of the cool people 40 years ago (which is the language of the cool people today).

ErichVonCartman

What is the point of this post? If you do NOT like what is written then don't read it.

noodle soup

Don't worry about her. HATERZ gotta H8.

StanSeven

Maybe it's just admiration.

ErichVonCartman

and no one loves to get in Discussions with all the Haterz more than Erich.. however, when I do that, this is how it goes...
1) they don't like what I have to discuss..
2) they get some "cool kids" to join in on the discussion.. and the other "cool kids" don't like what I have to say either...
3) all the cool kids report to Mommy-Moderator that Erich has been mean!....
4) Mommy Moderator then gets in the discussion...
5) Mommy Moderator does not like it what Erich is discussing either, so Mommy-Moderator Bans Erich!

This is basically the flow of all discussion with Erich on Bicycle Forums. This is why Pinkbike, MTBR, RoadbikeReview all suck.. because the monkeys do NOT like discussing things with Erich. I am thinking bikeforums.net will be no different, they will be like all the others too.

Haterz gonna Hate! and ****** gonna ****!.. and history has shown, the mods will side with the Haterz and the *******. MONKEY SEE! MONKEY DO!

StanSeven

I agree. I used to think it was pedals but I came to that belief before stiff soles in shoes. I commented last year in a thread that spd's will give hotspots to many people. Another poster argued that you can't feel the pedal with carbon soles. So I tried SPDs on my carbon soled shoes and they were right.

ErichVonCartman

you are not alone in that mistake. I too use to think hot spot was a problem with MTB pedals. It was not till I got new shoes where I found out that I was the ignorant person that listened to ignorant people for advice.... and cleat position can also fix "hot spots" even with soft soled shoes. Which is also something I learned down the line.

bleui

+1

I used to get hotspots on rides longer than 100k and I almost pulled the trigger on buying road cleat and road shoes, then I found Steve Hogg's article on cleat position just to tweak my pedalling technique on longer climbs (heel dropping) and next thing I know it also solved my hotspots problem.

I'm not saying that we all need a professional fitting or we shouldn't ever belief in internet forums (lots of great knowledge on the internet), but instead of persuaded into buying new equipments/gears whenever there's a problem you might want to try the easiest/free solution first.

Lazyass

And another thing is lowering the saddle. I used to pedal toe down, like almost everyone does. Now my saddle is 2cm lower and I naturally pedal heel down, my foot is totally flat. My hotspots always started to kick in @ mile 45. If I was doing a 100K it would get to where I could hardly push the pedal down before the end. I turned down some century rides because I knew it would be pure pain. Different pedals, carbon shoes, it was all a total waste of money. You have to move the pressure from the front of your foot towards the center.