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My Venturi Breezer Build - 19.25 pound, steel bike <$850

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Originally Posted by noodle soup
your Breezer is the only one I've seen that looks like it fits the rider. Most have a huge stack of spacers, and a flipped up stem.
That's a really dumb thing to say, as you can't have fit without seeing the rider, and I'm pretty sure you've not seen Pdedes nor any other Venturi rider on their bike.

I think what you mean to say, but couldn't quite piece together, is that Pdedes' has familiar proportions, which is probably due to the fact he has a build particularly suited to the Venturi, which he said is his best fitting bike, and which raises the question does he have more standard geo bikes which may look a little less typical?
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Originally Posted by chaadster
That's a really dumb thing to say, as you can't have fit without seeing the rider, and I'm pretty sure you've not seen Pdedes nor any other Venturi rider on their bike.

I think what you mean to say, but couldn't quite piece together, is that Pdedes' has familiar proportions, which is probably due to the fact he has a build particularly suited to the Venturi, which he said is his best fitting bike, and which raises the question does he have more standard geo bikes which may look a little less typical?
If you are using a huge stack of spacers, and a riser stem, that frame doesn't fit the rider. You can achieve a good fit by using a bunch of spacers & a rider stem, but that doesn't mean that the frame fits the rider. It means that you adapted it to fit your ideal posture.

A proper fitting frame doesn't require those dramatic adjustments.
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i think most people don't know how to transfer their road fit to an aerobar friendly fit. here's a quick and dirty fast fix to get you in the ball park. raise your saddle .5cm. move your saddle forward .5cm. lower your stem .5 cm. you can do more than this if you're comfortable. the trick is to rotate your fit triangle forward with your bb as the datum
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Originally Posted by chaadster
That's a really dumb thing to say, as you can't have fit without seeing the rider, and I'm pretty sure you've not seen Pdedes nor any other Venturi rider on their bike.

I think what you mean to say, but couldn't quite piece together, is that Pdedes' has familiar proportions, which is probably due to the fact he has a build particularly suited to the Venturi, which he said is his best fitting bike, and which raises the question does he have more standard geo bikes which may look a little less typical?
i'm an ordinarily proportioned almost 5-10 with slightly shorter arms than average. i think you chose the right word chaadster, "familiar". bikes fitting guys my size are really the most prevalent. my saddle-bar drop is noticeable but not excessive and cockpit length gets my ass far enough behind the bb to give me good seated power, balance and an aero position on the hoods.
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Originally Posted by pdedes
i'm an ordinarily proportioned almost 5-10 with slightly shorter arms than average. i think you chose the right word chaadster, "familiar". bikes fitting guys my size are really the most prevalent. my saddle-bar drop is noticeable but not excessive and cockpit length gets my ass far enough behind the bb to give me good seated power, balance and an aero position on the hoods.
what is your saddle to bar drop on the Venturi? From what I remember, it looks like 100-125mm. Nothing extreme, but certainly not an upright position.

You achieved this position without a ton of spacers, or a flipped up stem. Assuming that you are comfortable with that setup, I would say the frame fits you, and you didn't need to use band-aids to get a proper position.
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
what is your saddle to bar drop on the Venturi? From what I remember, it looks like 100-125mm. Nothing extreme, but certainly not an upright position.

You achieved this position without a ton of spacers, or a flipped up stem. Assuming that you are comfortable with that setup, I would say the frame fits you, and you didn't need to use band-aids to get a proper position.
it's ~90mm
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
If you are using a huge stack of spacers, and a riser stem, that frame doesn't fit the rider. You can achieve a good fit by using a bunch of spacers & a rider stem, but that doesn't mean that the frame fits the rider. It means that you adapted it to fit your ideal posture.

A proper fitting frame doesn't require those dramatic adjustments.
Yeah, I get that's your opinion, but it's completely unsubstantiated in reason.
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Originally Posted by chaadster
Yeah, I get that's your opinion, but it's completely unsubstantiated in reason.

You really are a piece of work.

Would a custom frame builder ever design a frame for client,that required a huge stack of spacers to get an ideal fit?

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Originally Posted by noodle soup
You really are a piece of work.
C'mon...it ain't that hard to call.
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
You really are a piece of work.

Would a custom frame builder ever design a frame for client,that required a huge stack of spacers to get an ideal fit?
Addressing your edit, Yes, yes they would, even a custom builder as renowned as Rob English.



Probably it's best you soend more time reading and listening rather than posting; this is my opinion.
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Originally Posted by chaadster
Addressing your edit, Yes, yes they would, even a custom builder as renowned as Rob English.



Probably it's best you soend more time reading and listening rather than posting; this is my opinion.
Wow, If I'm being honest this bike totally scares me. Doesn't look like something you could really ride on the road. I wonder what the story is behind this bike, built for weight weenie purposes or something would be my guess.
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Originally Posted by jamesdak
Wow, If I'm being honest this bike totally scares me. Doesn't look like something you could really ride on the road. I wonder what the story is behind this bike, built for weight weenie purposes or something would be my guess.
I'm not sure how your honest fear is supposed to be taken, but if you were to peruse the English site, you'd see it was designed and built with an emphasis on climbing.
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I'm not sure how your honest fear is supposed to be taken, but if you were to peruse the English site, you'd see it was designed and built with an emphasis on climbing.
Oh it's real. Maybe not founded by fact by nonetheless real. And this is for climbing? Going up means coming down. man I can just feel that rear end collapse under me when it its that one dip I normally hit going down Snowbasin and running in the mid 40 mph range through the part the dip is in. 'cause going up means coming back down.

And I did just go the the site. Man I love steel bikes, I really do and hardly ever seen any quality ones I don't like. But I'm just not digging his stuff at all. At least not the road stuff I just looked at. They may be perfectly fine bikes but just not my cup of tea and not something I'd be comfortable with riding.

Dang and farther searching found he totally wrecked on a descent, hmmm....

And then I found another Youtube of some crazy bike he was riding and totally lost control of and crashed, hmmm...

Yep, the fear is real. Nothing against the man or his work. Lots seem to love it but I'm just not feeling it.
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Originally Posted by jamesdak
Oh it's real. Maybe not founded by fact by nonetheless real. And this is for climbing? Going up means coming down. man I can just feel that rear end collapse under me when it its that one dip I normally hit going down Snowbasin and running in the mid 40 mph range through the part the dip is in. 'cause going up means coming back down.

And I did just go the the site. Man I love steel bikes, I really do and hardly ever seen any quality ones I don't like. But I'm just not digging his stuff at all. At least not the road stuff I just looked at. They may be perfectly fine bikes but just not my cup of tea and not something I'd be comfortable with riding.

Dang and farther searching found he totally wrecked on a descent, hmmm....

And then I found another Youtube of some crazy bike he was riding and totally lost control of and crashed, hmmm...

Yep, the fear is real. Nothing against the man or his work. Lots seem to love it but I'm just not feeling it.
Maybe we're looking at the difference between a record holding champion racer, avant garde builder and innovator, and a more common man, but of course I don't know you, so you may have some bona fides that give your critique weight, but I don't know.
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Maybe we're looking at the difference between a record holding champion racer, avant garde builder and innovator, and a more common man, but of course I don't know you, so you may have some bona fides that give your critique weight, but I don't know.
LOL, not a critique at all. Just my opinion which I guessed should be viewed as valid, or invalid, as anyone else's on this forum.
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Originally Posted by chaadster
Probably it's best you soend more time reading and listening rather than posting; this is my opinion.
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Originally Posted by chaadster

Maybe that geometry is totally functional. Perhaps the customer wanted to use a very deep handlebar bag with its top flush with the bar?
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That Rob English bike above must be for someone who is like 6'8"+. Any bike to fit someone with those dimensions are going to look odd.
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Originally Posted by Inpd
I think those of us who live in windy areas (I'm talking 15+mph consistently in some times of the day) would say its crazy *not* to have aero bars. In my part of town the afternoon breeze is wicked.

I do have a shorter stem (60mm) but I feel cramp when I put it on.

The solution is to find aero bars where the pads are closer to me rather than change the stem so the pads are closer.
Sorry, but until you have a real name for your local wind, referring to is as a breeze is unlikely to garner you any sympathy.
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OK, I'm selling mine, and going back to riding bikes with 13 and 14 cm stems.
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OK, I'm selling mine, and going back to riding bikes with 13 and 14 cm stems.
Well I guess we have found the one cyclist the Venturi was designed for.
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
Well I guess we have found the one cyclist the Venturi was designed for.
To be fair, it would seem that any cyclist wanting a low position typical of riding a small-ish frame for their size but who also desires to run a more standard length stem is a good fit for the Venturi. Cyclists looking for a 'comfort' or 'endurance' bike should run far, far away even if someone tries to hand them a Venturi for free.
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Originally Posted by chaadster
I'm not sure how your honest fear is supposed to be taken, but if you were to peruse the English site, you'd see it was designed and built with an emphasis on climbing.
I saw it described as 'super light road'. Is there more of a description I'm missing? I'd love to know the full story behind someone wanting beach cruiser geometry in road bike form. That bike might as well not even have drops those bars are rotated so high. I mean, I'm all for making money and delivering what the customer asks for but if I was building custom bikes for a living, I'd leave that one off my website.
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Originally Posted by joejack951
To be fair, it would seem that any cyclist wanting a low position typical of riding a small-ish frame for their size but who also desires to run a more standard length stem is a good fit for the Venturi. Cyclists looking for a 'comfort' or 'endurance' bike should run far, far away even if someone tries to hand them a Venturi for free.
I don't think it is that simple. Even on smaller sizes the top tube is still way long when the steeper seat tube angles are take into account. And the head tubes/headsets are integrated so they are not effectively elongated by the bearing stack height like on a traditional head tube of the same height. I could make the M size work for me with a 90 mm stem flipped up on top of at least 40 mm of spacers. I like a lot of reach and almost a couple of inches saddle to bar drop so not really low, but not upright either. It could work but EEEEW, why would I want to.
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So it looks like for Venturi you truly need to size down. I typically ride 52cm and I was very close to buying the Small frame when they were available for closeout sale, but it appears XS might've been a better choice.
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