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Old 06-04-16, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Inpd
That's a shame. Just out of curiosity, what does a second hand Smoothie frame go for? Brand new they are $400 now with free shipping.

There is a lot to like about the Smoothie frame, what I don't like about Soma is their warranty:

"THREE YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY Soma warrants to the original owner that the workmanship of this new Soma frame pur-chased from an authorized Soma dealer shall be free of defective materials or workman-ship for the first three years of ownership by the original owner. During the warranty period:Soma at its sole option shall replace the frame if Soma determines the frame is defectiveand subject to this limited warranty. All labor charges for warranty services are the responsi-bility of the frame owner. The original owner shall pay all shipping charges connected withthe replacement of the frame. "
As a former soma dealer I know it doesn't work that way if you go through the dealer. They send a call tag and eat the shipping cost like any other company. Mine was gently used for a partial season, from June-September of last year. The package of fork+frame+good headset retails near $700 and I'm trying to dump it for around $450-$500
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Originally Posted by Inpd
Eyelets would be nice so I can attach some sort of thing to store food and water. I just did a double century but I had to plan the ride to hit towns around lunch and dinner. If I choose a more desolate route where would I store the food and extra water? I needed five bottles of water at least.
Maybe you should reevaluate. If you're not planning on being near towns during the day or the evening, besides lots of water you'll need a tent and sleeping bag and lunch, dinner, and breakfast. If you want to use panniers for that, you'll want a proper steel touring bike with all the attachment points for racks and pannier. It's more than just fender eyelets. You'll also want the frame, fork, and brakes to have clearance for somewhat wider tires and fenders.

If you simply want to ride a road bike on long endurance rides, pick routes which have services. Simple. BTW when venturing into low water terrain, most LD riders use Camelbaks in addition to bottles. No need for 5 bottles. If you think you need more gear than will fit in an Arkel Randonneur bag (hard to believe), Carradice makes really huge saddle bags.
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Originally Posted by Inpd
Maybe I'm drinking the marketing Kool-aide, but aren't endurance bikes much more than a taller head tube?
Right. For starters the geometry is much different. You already mentioned the taller head tube. Often the top tube is shorter and the wheelbase is longer. Part is from longer chainstays. Trail is usually different.

Many manufacturers do things with the actual frame to make them more girt able or use special sestposts.

Then there's the gearing and tires. Most have compaq crankset sets with side gearing. 28 are often the smallest tires that come with the bike.
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If you're looking at 105 or better components a new name brand comfort/endurance geo bike probably will probably come in a about $1.5K or less with an alloy frame and about $2K or less if CF... but, when you buy just the frame, almost like magic, the price of the frame alone is $2K or more...

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Originally Posted by dksix
Around here it's a word, a word in common usage, and that's good enough for Scrabble.
guilty of americocentric assumptions. My apologies (turns out 'learnt' is used widely everywhere except the US. I learnt something
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Originally Posted by Inpd
That's a shame. Just out of curiosity, what does a second hand Smoothie frame go for? Brand new they are $400 now with free shipping.
There is a lot to like about the Smoothie frame, what I don't like about Soma is their warranty:
Personally, I prefer the build out road myself. It can be fun and it can also be cheaper if you know where to find things and what you want. With that being said, the frame is always the hardest part for me. I like name brands, not generic ones for multiple reasons. I would consider Soma a name brand. As far as the warranty goes, I would not pay much attention to them. Most of them are not worth their salt. Despite all the horror stories out there, it is pretty rare that there is an issue with a frame. It happens and always will but it is not wide spread. I have only been riding the road for about 4-5 years but I have been a heavy mtb rider since the early 90's. I personally have owned multiple bikes and only broken one frame. It was a Specialized mtb and I cracked it jumping over oil barrels when I was a little more dense than I am now. I only had the bike for about 3 months and they would not honor the warranty. I did not blame them because I have to agree that I was being excessive in my use. In fact, I could not get my body to warranty the fractured scapula that I suffered in the same fall.
There are a ton of places to find great frames, you just have to be patient if you want to get the best deal.
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Originally Posted by superdex
guilty of americocentric assumptions. My apologies (turns out 'learnt' is used widely everywhere except the US. I learnt something
LOL, I didn't know it was used outside of the South. Here is the mountains we are pretty country but I've been up in the coal country of WV and KY and I didn't even know what they were saying.
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Originally Posted by Inpd
I thought of that, but a few things meant I don't think it will work.

a) The elongated Venturi top tube is great for aero-dynamics and pedaling hard but is not comfortable after about 80 miles.
b) The Venturi is steel but doesn't have any other road dampening technology (i.e. elastomers) that are supposed to make some of these other bikes amazingly smooth.
c) The wheelbase is relatively short
d) It can only handle 25mm tires and I was hoping to get 28mm tires.

and e) not required, but having eyelets to mount a rack for food on more remote longer rides would be nice.
Maybe I'm drinking the marketing Kool-aide, but aren't endurance bikes much more than a taller head tube?
maybe you could 650b the venturi.

then get a stubby stem like the silver one in pic:

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