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Old 07-13-16, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
any proof of this?
Wikipedia says BikeRadar says KMC said they make chains for Shimano. KMC making chains for Shimano gets tossed around a lot because of that. The only proof is that Shimano didn't demand BikeRadar take it back.

Shimano has factories in Japan, I'm pretty sure at least Ultegra/DA chains say made in Japan, and engineering the chain is usually one of the more difficult parts of making a new groupset. Indexing and making narrow cogs is not the hard part. A chain probably has more parts than the rest of your drivetrain combined. Shimano, Campy and SRAM all design chains in house to optimized shifting and such.

I think it's a reasonable assumption to say that Taiwan based KMC does not make the Shimano chains made in Japan.

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I have boxes:
CN-6800, 11spd (Ribble?)
IG-51, 8spd, (bought from China Ebay)
HG-73, 9spd (bought from China Ebay)

All thee chains list on the box:
"Product of Japan / Fabrique Au Japon"

I see no notes of anything other than Japanese Shimano production, other than not using the word "made".

One never knows the truth about Chinese grey market products.
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I don't have a pile of Shimano chain boxes next to me right now, but some random person on Amazon said their lower end HG-53 chain says made in Taiwan.
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I haven't busted any chains since sometimes around 1975! That's when I first got serious about cycling, and I was regularly - often daily - riding the steepest hills I could find leading up into the Santa Monica Mountains above Los Angeles. Two of the chains, Sedis, broke during the course of a year, popping apart on the hills.

Back then, cleats were held in place with toeclips and straps and it was, of course, impossible to get out of them, particularly when on a 14% slope, before toppling sideways and hitting the ground, which is what I did in about one second.

While I still ride the steepest streets I can find in the Santa Monicas, and I've gone through a fair number of chains, I've yet to break another one.
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Originally Posted by 2lo8
Wikipedia says BikeRadar says KMC said they make chains for Shimano. KMC making chains for Shimano gets tossed around a lot because of that. The only proof is that Shimano didn't demand BikeRadar take it back.

Shimano has factories in Japan, I'm pretty sure at least Ultegra/DA chains say made in Japan, and engineering the chain is usually one of the more difficult parts of making a new groupset. Indexing and making narrow cogs is not the hard part. A chain probably has more parts than the rest of your drivetrain combined. Shimano, Campy and SRAM all design chains in house to optimized shifting and such.

I think it's a reasonable assumption to say that Taiwan based KMC does not make the Shimano chains made in Japan.
So no real proof.

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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti
I had a Connex 10s link fail out on a ride once.
Same thing happened to me with about 300 miles on the first Wippermann chain I ever used.
But I've *never* had a Superlink/SRAM/KMC link fail.
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I'm not sure what kind of proof you wanted? Insider invoices and contracts? I was responding to someone that already thought that KMC makes Shimano chains, not trying to convince him KMC made some Shimano chains.
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The official blurb from KMC is the rather ambiguous
In 1986, KMC began a partnership with the Japanese bicycle component company, Shimano; cooperating together, a relationship was created that continues to flourish to this day.
But KMC only makes chains. KMC making X million chains a year with clients such as Shimano seems to be part of the standard press release package when a a cycling journalist writes them up. KMC making Shimano chains is not a hotly disputed topic.
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Originally Posted by icyclist
Back then, cleats were held in place with toeclips and straps and it was, of course, impossible to get out of them, particularly when on a 14% slope, before toppling sideways and hitting the ground, which is what I did in about one second.
Just twist like you do clipless... Perhaps a bit harder if the straps are tight, but they'll come out.
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