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Old 07-02-02, 08:52 PM   #1
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Campy and shimano componets

I have a bianchi i want to upgrade. I would like to go from 8-speed mirage to 9 speed chorus or centaur. The problem I have is I have rolf vector comps with shimano cassettes. Can I upgrade my campagnolo componets and use a 9-speed shimano cassette?
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Old 07-02-02, 08:57 PM   #2
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Yes you just have to take apart the cassette and switch the spacer's between the cogs. Campy spacing is smaller than shimaNO.
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Old 07-02-02, 09:05 PM   #3
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Thanks!! I am going to buy the chorus derailers, crankset, and shifters and a ultegra 9speed cassette. Is there a spacer kit of some sort out there I can order?
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Well actually Precision Pedal shimano 9 spacing is4.34mm and campy 9 is 4.55., and therin is a problemThe QBP catalogue list no spacer kits to get 9 speed campy on a shimano hub,cause the resulting cluster would be too wide.Wheels manufacturing makes a 9 speed shimano compatible cassett with campy 9 spacing. But,95% of the time a campy 9 drive train will work fine with a shimano 9 cassette. Use a shimano 9 speed chain.that's what I would try first and save some money.
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Old 07-02-02, 09:49 PM   #5
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Well actually Precision Pedal shimano 9 spacing is4.34mm and campy 9 is 4.55., and therin is a problemThe QBP catalogue list no spacer kits to get 9 speed campy on a shimano hub,cause the resulting cluster would be too wide.Wheels manufacturing makes a 9 speed shimano compatible cassett with campy 9 spacing. But,95% of the time a campy 9 drive train will work fine with a shimano 9 cassette. Use a shimano 9 speed chain.that's what I would try first and save some money.
Well then you need to look at more than QBP pokey. Also I apologize for I got the shimaNO and Campy info in reverse.

http://www.branfordbike.com/wheels/wheel17.html

http://www.ultimateridingsports.com/...assettes1.html

http://forums.bsn.com/HyperNews/get/...mbed=-1&nogifs

http://www.amclassic.com/FAQS.htm
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IMHO use Campy with campy and shimaNo with shimaNO!
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Marchisio make cogsets which can fit any freehub and be spaced for any transmission system. I use them on my Campy 8speed, because they offer a wider range of sizes and are replaceable individually.

In the US see torelli.com
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You're riight about Torelli, but the last I heard their cogs weren't ramped, to assist shifting, which may be a turn-off for some riders. I've never tried them, so I don't know what the shifting is like. I would guess they are probably no worse than the old five speeds before everything became so technical; however, Index Shifting may be more difficult to adjust.
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Well,Precision Pedal,you branfordbike links were good for zipp.and, BTY,the QBP catalogue is the source for everything available thru branford. www,excelsports.com sells the wheels manufacturing casset that is shimano hub compatible with campy 9 spacing for $100.there may be others availabe.
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From the Guru of Guru's (Sheldon Brown that is):
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In particular, for reasons that are not quite clear, 9-speed hubs/cassettes seem to work pretty well with the opposite
9-speed derailer/shifter brand
Pokey I recall seeing something on Branford that states the
ShimaNo and Campy 9 speeds will work as is, can't seem to
find it though, will keep looking.

The spacing for S9 and C9 are:
Campagnolo 9-speed 4.55 mm 1.75 mm 2.8 mm
Shimano 9-speed 4.34 mm 1.78 mm 2.56 mm

1st column - center to center spacing
2nd column - sprocket thickness
3rd column - spacer thickness

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Ok everyone here is the deal. Remember the wise words of pokey, "There are two sources of bike disinformation, 1)LBS 2)Bikeforums." So everyone STOP asking questions here and at your local LBS and e-mail all questions directly to pokey.
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Ok everyone here is the deal. Remember the wise words of pokey, "There are two sources of bike disinformation, 1)LBS 2)Bikeforums." So everyone STOP asking questions here and at your local LBS and e-mail all questions directly to pokey.

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Thanks man!!
Here is his or her post.
http://bikeforums.net/showthread.php...7310#post87310
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My Campy 8sp Marchisio cogs are pre-worn (sorry , ramped) to assist gear changes and I have no problems shifting with Campy Ergolevers. They are probably not quite as sweet as the manufacturers, but are good enough for most riding.
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Well pholks,I like the quote from Sheldon.He is a sharp guy, And, that is what i said about a campy drivetrain and shimano cassette.The easy way to do it.What I also said about not being able to get there with a spacer kit is also correct.The best one can do with a spacer kit is 8 speeds on a shimano hub rather than 9. I'm not going to go there. You can if you want While it is certainly possible to muck around with custom spacers,if one has them, and mixed and matched spacers to achieve some result, that is not what precision said. There is a reason for the availavility of specially configured cassettes that are shimano compatible and having 9 cogs.
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Lighten up Junior! No need to spread your hostility all over the place. What Precision Pedal said was a mistake it was admitted. I happen to know the shop, good people there, so sit back and relax, don't be so message board typical.
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Surely with Rolf wheels you could just buy the Campy freehub body, replace the shimano freehub body and then run 9 or 10 speed Campy with ALL Campy components? A little more expensive maybe but a much less hassle in the long run. As a rider who has just made the switch from Shimano to Campy (Chorus 10v) I would now happily try and convince others to go Campy, it's great
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On the compatibility front, I'm throwing my hat in with Sheldon. From 1994 to 1999 I worked at a shop oriented toward higher-end bikes, and the 9sp systems did seem to work well with eachothers' cogs when necessary. (edit: the main situation that called for this was when we were building with Zipp rear hubs... the promised Campagnolo-compatible freehub body was delayed).

As for spacer kits, if I may point out the obvious, Shimano's Ultegra and DA cassettes use alloy spider cores for some of the cogs, precluding the use of alternate spacers between those cogs. If you're planning to use a spacer kit, get a 105 9sp cassette.

Now, whether it's a good idea to mix and match is not for me to say, but I think it will work out if that's what you decide to do. Any particular reason why you wouldn't just set the bike up with 9sp Shimano, perhaps Ultegra? That would avoid the whole ball of wax.

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