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Old 09-24-17, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Heathpack
Kudos, @Pirkaus

I rode with some friends today, 15ish miles/1500ish ft on the mtb. Mostly fireroads but maybe 5 miles of great easy single track in a place up at Big Bear called Hannah Flats.

Starting to really feel more confident on the mtb but I still screw things up regularly lol. It takes time.

At one point, I was 100% happy, such a beautiful trail. Then there was a mansplaining kerfluffle and I kind of lost it, just very frustrated & angry to still routinely be patronized when I really do have my **** together on a bike and know I've accomplished plenty in a relatively short time as a cyclist. I might post about it but I'm still pretty upset, not now.

Mostly Hannah Flats is dry open high altitude pine forest with boulders. Like this:





And this:




But the best part was the lush bits:





These are sweet shots.
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Originally Posted by Pirkaus


My son did his first group ride with me yesterday, he rode like a pro. Beautiful day, great ride by the ocean.
Most excellent.

Hope my boys ride with me again someday.
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Old 09-24-17, 06:12 PM
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I disagree. They should offer less for the freeloaders, for example, only puny photos, stuff like that.
No such thing as a free lunch. Two digits could be between $10 and $20 per year - not going to bust anyone's budget. @VeloVol spends that much per year on dry cleaning his balaclava. I am done with this subject lest I get called to the principal's office.
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Old 09-24-17, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Pirkaus


My son did his first group ride with me yesterday, he rode like a pro. Beautiful day, great ride by the ocean.
I like your team name.
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Old 09-24-17, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jtaylor996
His tactic of "oh, I'm sick. Don't worry about me today." :roceeds to wheel suck all day::

Bravo!
No. His tactic of staying hidden all day. All those sprinters never had their names mentioned during the entire race. You didn't even know they were there.
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Old 09-24-17, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by seedsbelize
No. His tactic of staying hidden all day. All those sprinters never had their names mentioned during the entire race. You didn't even know they were there.
Except for Krystoff. I would consider him a sprinter and he was pretty active on the last lap and almost won it.
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Old 09-24-17, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by datlas
Nice pics, @Heathpack. You could give a tutorial on how to post pics in this place.
This
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Old 09-24-17, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by seedsbelize
No. His tactic of staying hidden all day. All those sprinters never had their names mentioned during the entire race. You didn't even know they were there.
That's the way it should be for sprinters. You should remain hidden until the last km.
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Old 09-24-17, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by gnome
That's the way it should be for sprinters. You should remain hidden until the last km.
And the winner finally learned this. His patience was exemplary.
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Old 09-24-17, 06:59 PM
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You know, trainsnorter, on the laptop I was scrolling right once or twice in the last couple days. Now that you've brought it up, I'm doing it every time. Thanks.
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Old 09-24-17, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by BillyD
My kind of road, flat.
See that road on the left of that hill? I didn't think so
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Look at their shoulders. The bike throw won it.
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Old 09-24-17, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Pirkaus


My son did his first group ride with me yesterday, he rode like a pro. Beautiful day, great ride by the ocean.
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Old 09-24-17, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Heathpack
Kudos, @Pirkaus

I rode with some friends today, 15ish miles/1500ish ft on the mtb. Mostly fireroads but maybe 5 miles of great easy single track in a place up at Big Bear called Hannah Flats.

Starting to really feel more confident on the mtb but I still screw things up regularly lol. It takes time.

At one point, I was 100% happy, such a beautiful trail. Then there was a mansplaining kerfluffle and I kind of lost it, just very frustrated & angry to still routinely be patronized when I really do have my **** together on a bike and know I've accomplished plenty in a relatively short time as a cyclist. I might post about it but I'm still pretty upset, not now.

Mostly Hannah Flats is dry open high altitude pine forest with boulders. Like this:





And this:




But the best part was the lush bits:





Nice!!
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Originally Posted by LAJ
Look at their shoulders. The bike throw won it.
Quoted for truth
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Question for the dog owners...

The dog trainer at the rescue tells me, "I take this one (dog) on the bike all the time."

I ask, "You're riding and he's on a leash? He doesn't run across the wheel?"

"Nope."

Do any of you ride with your dog like this?
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Originally Posted by f4rrest
Question for the dog owners...

The dog trainer at the rescue tells me, "I take this one (dog) on the bike all the time."

I ask, "You're riding and he's on a leash? He doesn't run across the wheel?"

"Nope."

Do any of you ride with your dog like this?
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Originally Posted by f4rrest
Question for the dog owners...

The dog trainer at the rescue tells me, "I take this one (dog) on the bike all the time."

I ask, "You're riding and he's on a leash? He doesn't run across the wheel?"

"Nope."

Do any of you ride with your dog like this?
I've taken the dog out with a bike a few times and on the rollerblades, too. They might be a little squirrely at first but they settle in to the work of it pretty quickly; a lot of rambunctious dogs just don't get enough exercise and I think that traversing with the pack is still in their DNA.
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Went out with the TGIT with the goal of completing his first metric century. He made a valiant effort, his previous long ride was ~30 miles, but called it quits about 5 miles short of the 62 and change. Essentially, his shoulders cramped and knotted up. This was on his tri bike, of course. Does that more forward set-up tend to place more weight on the bars? I would assume that it would and that that was a big factor with his shoulder pain.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
Went out with the TGIT with the goal of completing his first metric century. He made a valiant effort, his previous long ride was ~30 miles, but called it quits about 5 miles short of the 62 and change. Essentially, his shoulders cramped and knotted up. This was on his tri bike, of course. Does that more forward set-up tend to place more weight on the bars? I would assume that it would and that that was a big factor with his shoulder pain.
If his bars and arm pads are close together, that puts an unusual strain on all that up there, as well as the triceps. It's actually pretty comfortable riding like that, once adaptation comes into play. Getting aero is a different ballgame.
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Originally Posted by LAJ
If his bars and arm pads are close together, that puts an unusual strain on all that up there, as well as the triceps. It's actually pretty comfortable riding like that, once adaptation comes into play. Getting aero is a different ballgame.
Ah, yeah, I didn't really note how close together the pads/bars were. Could just be a matter of getting used to it, as you allude to - I'll get him out on more ~30 mile rides and toughen him up.

This all stokes the tri/TT rig curiosity in me, too, though. I might have to give his bike a spin sometime - seems like something that I might enjoy/be suited towards.
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@WhyFi, a tri set up differs from a TT set up in that a tri position is usually more of a compromise between comfort & aeroness. Mostly a tri position is typically higher (to ease strain on the neck, you don't have to lift it to look up the road) and wider (frequently more comfy for the shoulders). Generally speaking, the longer the tri, the less aggressive the position.

So your friend might have his position set too aggressively for a 60 mile ride, if he typically rides shorter distances.

Also, a lot of triathletes put in big miles on the trainer. If he rides more on the trainer, his neck muscles might not be well developed, he may not be used to holding his head up to look down the road. And it takes upper body strength to handle the bike on the road, trainer miles don't work these muscles.

But a huge thing is adapting to a TT or tri position- it takes time to develop TT/tri-specific power, strength, flexibility etc. I ride my TT bike all the time, 4-8 hours per week. Even so, I'm still adapting to a position change I made 3 months ago. And I wouldn't attempt to ride my TT bike 60 miles, my position is simply too aggressive for that to be viable, two hours is about my max, my form gets sloppy once we get out an hour or so.

I think there's a bit of a misconception that there's one set-up for aero bars that's optimal for each person. When really aerobar adjustments are one of the biggest differences in people's TT and tri fits. There's many possible positions and nothing that's the "ideal"- it really depends what you're racing, how long you'll be on the bike, what's happens to your power in various positions, how the air moves over your arms and then onto your hips, how flexible you are, etc.

It's the kind of thing you can easily spend dozens of hours on if you get into it.
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I didn't get one. I didn't even know he'd got any until I read about it here on BF.
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Sun Devils do have the best stadium motto, so maybe they deserved to win.



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