small pump or C02?
#1
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Lake Forest IL
Posts: 1,422
Bikes: Giant OCR 2, Flyte SRS 2
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
small pump or C02?
When I bought my bike I also bougt a medium size C02 inflation system to keep in my seat bag along with a small patch kit and a spare tube. Today when I was out riding, a fellow cycler passing by with his wife asked if I had a CO2 cartridge. He had a leaky valve and was going flat. I gave him my CO2 inflator.(He offered to pay but I did not have change and I am a firm believer that whatever goes around, comes around so I told him forget it.) He had to change the tube and I did not need to wait around so the bottom line is I need to replace it with either a frame pump or another CO2 inflator. I only carry one water bottle so I have a spot for a small pump. My fear with the CO2 is that if I blow it and do not get the tube inflated then I am sunk or carry 3 or 4 of the small cartridges.
What does everyone out there prefer?
KL
What does everyone out there prefer?
KL
#2
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Tyler, Texas
Posts: 121
Bikes: 2004 Trek 5000, 2001 Trek 1000, 1999 Schwinn S-20
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
I have co2 but this is a great question. Is there any negatives to co2, and does it have to be let out and replaced with air before the next ride??
__________________
2004 Trek 5000
2001 Trek 1000
1999 Schwinn s-20 MTB
2004 Trek 5000
2001 Trek 1000
1999 Schwinn s-20 MTB
#3
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Southern California
Posts: 498
Bikes: Trek Madone 5.9 SL
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Yes... if you use CO2... definately check your tire pressure.. You will lose a lot of air... However, I've been able to ride 20 miles using CO2 without any issues. The next morning... my tire will be down to about 85 or so...
I don't carry a small pump because it is way too hard to get my tire pressure up to 120PSI... with a 16G cannister and the innovations pump... takes less than 2 seconds...
I always carry about 5 16G cannisters with me. If you don't want to carry the cannisters in a bag... Minoura makes a carrier that attaches underneath the water bottle cages and you can screw in 2 16G Cartridges...
I don't carry a small pump because it is way too hard to get my tire pressure up to 120PSI... with a 16G cannister and the innovations pump... takes less than 2 seconds...
I always carry about 5 16G cannisters with me. If you don't want to carry the cannisters in a bag... Minoura makes a carrier that attaches underneath the water bottle cages and you can screw in 2 16G Cartridges...
#4
Super Modest
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Central Illinois
Posts: 23,466
Bikes: Trek Emonda, Giant Propel, Colnago V3, Co-Motion Supremo, ICE VTX WC
Mentioned: 107 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10963 Post(s)
Liked 4,620 Times
in
2,123 Posts
Worrying about losing CO2 is a bunch of worry over nothing.
First of all, high performance tires should be aired up before every ride. Right?
Given that, the CO2 slowly leaks out and is being replaced by air daily until it's gone.
Problem solved.
First of all, high performance tires should be aired up before every ride. Right?
Given that, the CO2 slowly leaks out and is being replaced by air daily until it's gone.
Problem solved.
__________________
Keep the chain tight!
#5
Upgrading my engine
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Alamogordo
Posts: 6,218
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 125 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
There are plenty of cheap manual frame pumps out there that pump up to over 100 PSI with relative ease, so I've never understood why to risk malfunction and waste money with CO2 cartridges.
#6
Emondafied
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Maryland
Posts: 4,939
Bikes: See sig
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 63 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by DXchulo
There are plenty of cheap manual frame pumps out there that pump up to over 100 PSI with relative ease, so I've never understood why to risk malfunction and waste money with CO2 cartridges.
I usually carry 1 cartridge in the inflator and 2 spares, and the last few I've used have been on other people's tires (one was this past weekend in fact, on the MS-150, a girl with a really nice Fuji carbon, and we had her up and running in under 5 min, tube change included). I don't care for sitting around in the hot sun baking while pumping at someone's tire with a minipump, but maybe that's just me.
The one thing you do have to make sure of is that you're diligent about clearing out the inside of the tire. The last thing you want is to spend multiple cartridges on a recurring flat because of a piece of debris still inside the tire. In fact, the only drawback to CO2 is the possibility of something small stuck in the tire that you can't see, and that re-punctures the tube. This is why I make sure that I put the tube back into the tire the exact same way it came out. A tube is an easy thing to puncture, but no small debris is going to drill through a patch.
__________________
my bike page - my journal
Current Stable: Trek Emonda SL - Trek Top Fuel 8 - Scattante XRL - Jamis Dakar Expert - Trek 9700 -AlpineStars Al Mega
my bike page - my journal
Current Stable: Trek Emonda SL - Trek Top Fuel 8 - Scattante XRL - Jamis Dakar Expert - Trek 9700 -
#7
Ca-na-da?
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 2,025
Bikes: none at the moment
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by cydewaze
I don't care for sitting around in the hot sun baking while pumping at someone's tire with a minipump, but maybe that's just me.
Originally Posted by cydewaze
The one thing you do have to make sure of is that you're diligent about clearing out the inside of the tire. The last thing you want is to spend multiple cartridges on a recurring flat because of a piece of debris still inside the tire. In fact, the only drawback to CO2 is the possibility of something small stuck in the tire that you can't see, and that re-punctures the tube. This is why I make sure that I put the tube back into the tire the exact same way it came out. A tube is an easy thing to puncture, but no small debris is going to drill through a patch.
#8
Emondafied
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Maryland
Posts: 4,939
Bikes: See sig
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 63 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by krazyderek
One day when the removable valve on my tire had been lose so my front tire was flat after work, took out my frame pump (NOT A MINI PUMP) and had that puppy back up to 120 in under 3 minutes, including checking the pressure every minute or so. Sure it's physically demanding, but so is cycling , maybe I'm just not afraid of a little hard work.
__________________
my bike page - my journal
Current Stable: Trek Emonda SL - Trek Top Fuel 8 - Scattante XRL - Jamis Dakar Expert - Trek 9700 -AlpineStars Al Mega
my bike page - my journal
Current Stable: Trek Emonda SL - Trek Top Fuel 8 - Scattante XRL - Jamis Dakar Expert - Trek 9700 -
#9
Duathlete
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Charlottesville, VA
Posts: 119
Bikes: 2004 Specialized Allez Elite
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Kenal0
When I bought my bike I also bougt a medium size C02 inflation system to keep in my seat bag along with a small patch kit and a spare tube. Today when I was out riding, a fellow cycler passing by with his wife asked if I had a CO2 cartridge. He had a leaky valve and was going flat. I gave him my CO2 inflator.(He offered to pay but I did not have change and I am a firm believer that whatever goes around, comes around so I told him forget it.) He had to change the tube and I did not need to wait around so the bottom line is I need to replace it with either a frame pump or another CO2 inflator. I only carry one water bottle so I have a spot for a small pump. My fear with the CO2 is that if I blow it and do not get the tube inflated then I am sunk or carry 3 or 4 of the small cartridges.
What does everyone out there prefer?
KL
What does everyone out there prefer?
KL
#10
Senior Member
Buy a Topeak Road Morph and you won't go back. Fits under top tube, has quick release, has pressure gauge, has extendable filler tube, has flip-down foot pad so it has leverage of a shop pump - unlike a right angle-only frame pump (e.g., Silca). Pumps up tires very fast. By the time you pull out CO2 kit and assemble, you (or your GF!) can have your tire pumped with the Morph. Have used it several times to top-off and check pressure on sketchy CO2 fills by fellow riders. Oh, and less impact to the environment.
#11
Never fear the hills...
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Maryland
Posts: 872
Bikes: 2011 Giant TCR Advanced, 2010 Motobecane Fantom Cross Pro, 2011 Redline Monocog Flight 29r
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Terex
By the time you pull out CO2 kit and assemble, you (or your GF!) can have your tire pumped with the Morph. Have used it several times to top-off and check pressure on sketchy CO2 fills by fellow riders. Oh, and less impact to the environment.
#12
Team October Lake Effect
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Cleveland, Ohio, USA
Posts: 169
Bikes: KHS Solo One (2003), Cannondale 29er (2007), Giant Iguana (2001), Cannondale SystemSix (2007, race set-up), Gitane Sprint (trainer), Cannondale CAAD 8 back-up, Cyclocross 2005 (105/Ult), Cannondale Ironman TT 2006
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Get a frame pump. I don't think CO2 is reliable, and you don't want to be guessing when you're out in the middle of nowhere. I've had good luck with Topeak's frame pump.
#13
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Lake Forest IL
Posts: 1,422
Bikes: Giant OCR 2, Flyte SRS 2
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Looks like a mixed bag. I will look at the Topeak pump mentioned.
Along that same lines I have a patch kit but decided to carry the spare tube also. I generally ride solo and between 20-30 miles so I am not far from home. I am not sure I would ever patch a tube unless that was the last option and then I would replace it with a new tube asap. Tubes seem to be pretty inexpensive ( I guess that would be relative to one's income.If I can get my wife to have one less Starbucks drink per week it would cover 52 tubes per year). Even though a proper repair would probably be fine, I would still not take the chance.
What say you?
KL
Along that same lines I have a patch kit but decided to carry the spare tube also. I generally ride solo and between 20-30 miles so I am not far from home. I am not sure I would ever patch a tube unless that was the last option and then I would replace it with a new tube asap. Tubes seem to be pretty inexpensive ( I guess that would be relative to one's income.If I can get my wife to have one less Starbucks drink per week it would cover 52 tubes per year). Even though a proper repair would probably be fine, I would still not take the chance.
What say you?
KL