Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 09-15-05, 09:45 PM   #26
MissyTheRookie
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Seattle
Bikes: Wal Mart special
Posts: 8
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I think they say 24 hours... so...maybe try to do a later-ish ride (assuming your appointment isn't much past their norm 4 or 5 ending time). I usually feel a little... off, perhaps a little weak, but by morning I feel fine. I think I did gymnastics once only hours after donating. I just had to be a little careful, and listen to my body. (don't be afraid to take breaks).

When I used to donate with all my friends in high school, it seemed that the smaller person you were, the harder time your body dealt with it, so something to keep in mind.

And yeah, just to echo what almost everyone has said so far... eat and drink like never before (have fun with that ).

Yay for saving lives. Way to go.

Anyway, Ive never done exactly what you're doing, so Im sure my advice isn't the best! But there's my two cents.
MissyTheRookie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-05, 10:17 PM   #27
No Exit
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Herndon, VA
Bikes: 05 Fuji Pro, 06 Mercier Serpens, 00 Ducati 750ss
Posts: 592
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Totoro
"Donating" blood is stupid.

First, patients get these ridiculous hospital bills. The doctors, hospital, drug companies, diagnostic companies, etc. are all making millions and they want me to "give" my blood. Then they are going to CHARGE YOU for getting it. And who is going to make the money. Not me. If they want my blood, they can pay me for it. Otherwise, the doctors, hospital, drug companies, diagnostic companies, etc. should "donate" their stuff too.

BTW: Every time you give blood, you risk getting fatal illnesses like sepsis. The executives at Merck don't take those risks when they sell you overpriced drugs like Vioxx.

I have to agree. I used to donate regularly while I was in the military until I found out that when the Red Cross needed blood, we just handed it over but when the military needed it, the Red Cross sold it to us. What kind of crap is that? You've got people out there risking their lives (thus the need for blood... cuz they're losing it) and they're going to SELL the blood we gave to them freely? I stopped giving blood and was harassed with calls from them every other day. I WILL NEVER give to the Red Cross. If someone personally needs it, I'd be happy to let them bleed me for a couple of pints. I used to really like giving blood... easier to get drunk after and I felt like my day was worth while. I still want to give but wont out of principle.
No Exit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-05, 06:16 AM   #28
NJWheelBuilder
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Cental New Jersey
Bikes: Klein Quantum Pro
Posts: 469
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Cousins
People buy and sell blood. There is a market for it. It has a price as a commodity.

http://greaterboston.tv/features/gb_..._redcross.html




So, my question stands. Given that you could sell the blood you donate, would you be willing to instead give up that money as tax and have it pay for more general healthcare for those who can't afford it?
Those that can afford health care already pay for those who don't. Hospitals are OBLIGATED to treat someone, even if they can't afford it. Those costs are passed on to those that can pay. That's the way our system works.
NJWheelBuilder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-05, 06:19 AM   #29
NJWheelBuilder
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Cental New Jersey
Bikes: Klein Quantum Pro
Posts: 469
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by twahl
I'll send you a pint, you send me $230, and I'll donate that, instead of my blood, to the Red Cross. I will not willingly give it to the goverment in the form of taxes to pay for a health care program where most of it is eaten up in beurocracy, with the majority of what's left going to pay for a doctor's malpractice insurance. My blood can immediately save a life, while 2/3 of my tax dollars are wasted in trying to figure out who should get it.
Well said. My conservative views cause me to question any big government programs. The government does almost nothing efficiently ("We're from the government and we're here to help you). I'm am not a proponent of public health care. That said, things need to change in the way of our health care system.
NJWheelBuilder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-05, 06:21 AM   #30
NJWheelBuilder
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Cental New Jersey
Bikes: Klein Quantum Pro
Posts: 469
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
[QUOTE=Totoro]"Donating" blood is stupid...QUOTE]

Making this comment is ridiculous. You've motivated me to go out and donate again. Its been a while. Please remember your comments in the future, if you are in need of a blood transfusion. I hope that doesn't happen to you.
NJWheelBuilder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-05, 06:46 AM   #31
MikeR
Very Senior Member
 
MikeR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Central Pa
Bikes: 2000 Bianchi San Remo and a mint 1984 Trek 720
Posts: 1,762
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by gurana
. . . not at the same time mind you.

I'm going to be donating blood this saturday. I made the appointment yesterday, forgetting that I'm supposed to be riding sunday. I'm going with my dad, so we'll probably do 20-30 mi. This is well within my capabilities under normal circumstances, so I don't anticipate any problems, but I was wondering if anybody else has tried this.

Oh, and in case you feel moved to donate your own blood: give life
I donated blood this last Monday. They told me to drink plenty of liquids and "No strenuous physical exercise for the rest of the day". When I asked they told me “Nothing harder than a fast walk”. So I skipped riding Monday and did intervals and hill climbs on Tuesday – no problem.
__________________
It's better to cycle through life than to drive by it.
MikeR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-05, 06:49 AM   #32
MikeR
Very Senior Member
 
MikeR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Central Pa
Bikes: 2000 Bianchi San Remo and a mint 1984 Trek 720
Posts: 1,762
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Totoro
"Donating" blood is stupid.

First, patients get these ridiculous hospital bills. The doctors, hospital, drug companies, diagnostic companies, etc. are all making millions and they want me to "give" my blood. Then they are going to CHARGE YOU for getting it. And who is going to make the money. Not me. If they want my blood, they can pay me for it. Otherwise, the doctors, hospital, drug companies, diagnostic companies, etc. should "donate" their stuff too.

BTW: Every time you give blood, you risk getting fatal illnesses like sepsis. The executives at Merck don't take those risks when they sell you overpriced drugs like Vioxx.
Wo!!! what overpriced drug are YOU on?
__________________
It's better to cycle through life than to drive by it.
MikeR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-05, 07:30 AM   #33
Ineedhelp
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 459
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Totoro
"Donating" blood is stupid.

First, patients get these ridiculous hospital bills. The doctors, hospital, drug companies, diagnostic companies, etc. are all making millions and they want me to "give" my blood. Then they are going to CHARGE YOU for getting it. And who is going to make the money. Not me. If they want my blood, they can pay me for it. Otherwise, the doctors, hospital, drug companies, diagnostic companies, etc. should "donate" their stuff too.

BTW: Every time you give blood, you risk getting fatal illnesses like sepsis. The executives at Merck don't take those risks when they sell you overpriced drugs like Vioxx.
Actually, for many years, there were places where you could go and get paid for your blood donation. They paid something like $50 for whole blood or plasma, and around $100 for platelets. I knew plenty of desperate college students who survived this way.

Unfortunately it also attracted drug users and alcoholics who brought the risk of AIDs and other diseases and I do believe that was the primary reason they no longer pay for blood donations. Except under certain circumstances, I don't think they are even allowed to any longer. Seriously, the reason for this was just to eliminate the monetary motivation that attracted that type of donor.

However, it is true that there is a risk, but it is a very small risk.

I would gladly donate blood, but they generally reject me due to low blood pressure. The few ocassions I have qualified, it takes over an hour, my fingers go numb trying to squeeze that ball, and it frustrates them as well. Our office had a drive 4 times a year and I went in regardless, but I've been rejected so many times that they don't even call me any longer...
Ineedhelp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-05, 11:16 AM   #34
'nother
semifreddo amartuerer
 
'nother's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Northern CA
Bikes: several
Posts: 4,599
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by gurana
. . . not at the same time mind you.

I'm going to be donating blood this saturday. I made the appointment yesterday, forgetting that I'm supposed to be riding sunday. I'm going with my dad, so we'll probably do 20-30 mi. This is well within my capabilities under normal circumstances, so I don't anticipate any problems, but I was wondering if anybody else has tried this.
Is this your first time giving blood? If so, I would consider rescheduling if you are not familiar with the slight "wooziness" that can sometimes follow on for the next day or so. If you have given blood before and you're in pretty good shape and this ride is as you say well within your capabilities, you'll probably be fine -- but you are definitely going to want to pay extra careful attention to hydration and nutrition before, during, and after the ride.

I gave blood one time in the evening and did a moderate 30 mile ride the next afternoon. It was noticeably more challenging. Not impossible, but I definitely did not feel up to my usual level of fitness, every little molehill felt like a mountain. Next time I think I will skip the riding for a day or so. I did not enjoy the sensation.
'nother is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-05, 11:33 AM   #35
gurana
Tęte de Limace
Thread Starter
 
gurana's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Maryland
Bikes: '05 Specialized Allez Sport Triple
Posts: 1,542
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by No Exit
I have to agree. I used to donate regularly while I was in the military until I found out that when the Red Cross needed blood, we just handed it over but when the military needed it, the Red Cross sold it to us. What kind of crap is that? You've got people out there risking their lives (thus the need for blood... cuz they're losing it) and they're going to SELL the blood we gave to them freely? I stopped giving blood and was harassed with calls from them every other day. I WILL NEVER give to the Red Cross. If someone personally needs it, I'd be happy to let them bleed me for a couple of pints. I used to really like giving blood... easier to get drunk after and I felt like my day was worth while. I still want to give but wont out of principle.
The way I see it is they basically have to charge for it. It costs money to run all those tests, pay the staff, and store it, and everyonce in a while a new mandatory test comes out that they have to add in (I believe westnile and mad cow were recently added, but they may have been there for some time already). I don't think they can really afford to give it away like that. But I do get what you mean about putting your life on the line, a task that basically guarantees you're going to need the blood you donate somewhere down the line, and then having to pay for blood in return. But the Red Cross is not a state run institution, they charge to recoup their costs. The obvious argument, and I believe the point of the article that Ben Cousins linked to, is that the Red Cross is being accused of charging more than it costs them per unit. I don't know anything about how they run their ship, but I'd rather not hear about changes in policy instigated by accountants (and not those in the medical profession) when it comes time for me to make a withdrawl.

I think in the military's case, the better soultion would be for them to institute their own blood banking system. That way, all donations come from soldiers/marines/etc and anybody that wants to dontate specifically to the armed forces.


Quote:
Originally Posted by NJWheelBuilder
Making this comment is ridiculous. You've motivated me to go out and donate again. Its been a while. Please remember your comments in the future, if you are in need of a blood transfusion. I hope that doesn't happen to you.
Well, that's certainly a welcome response to a negative post
__________________

Les Douleurs de la Mort. :: Sed fugit interea fugit irreparabile tempus.
gurana is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-05, 11:44 AM   #36
No Exit
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Herndon, VA
Bikes: 05 Fuji Pro, 06 Mercier Serpens, 00 Ducati 750ss
Posts: 592
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
The military supposedly does... The Red Cross is just easier where I worked... they had a facility right in the building I was at. Before I found out about all this, I figured giving was giving, it didnt matter where I gave it, as long as it went where it was needed.

It's not just military individuals giving to the Red Cross for free... its that the military will use its own facilities and ask its people to give when the Red Cross needs it. Then they hand it over freely. When the tables are turned, the military is charged. Somethings just not right about that. I understand that they're "recouping their costs" but then why should they not be charged for what it cost the military to collect?
No Exit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-05, 01:01 PM   #37
meme
Buddha Khan
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Bikes:
Posts: 445
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by twahl
I'll send you a pint, you send me $230, and I'll donate that, instead of my blood, to the Red Cross. I will not willingly give it to the goverment in the form of taxes to pay for a health care program where most of it is eaten up in beurocracy, with the majority of what's left going to pay for a doctor's malpractice insurance. My blood can immediately save a life, while 2/3 of my tax dollars are wasted in trying to figure out who should get it.

I've a similar viewpoint. I don't mind donating to help the less fortunate, but I hate it when the majority of my donation goes to feed the system rather than the people that's it's supposed to help. It feels like donating to those (what I call scam charities) where like only 15% of your donation goes to the cause, and the other 85% goes into "administrative" fees...
meme is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-05, 01:03 PM   #38
No Exit
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Herndon, VA
Bikes: 05 Fuji Pro, 06 Mercier Serpens, 00 Ducati 750ss
Posts: 592
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by meme
I've a similar viewpoint. I don't mind donating to help the less fortunate, but I hate it when the majority of my donation goes to feed the system rather than the people that's it's supposed to help. It feels like donating to those (what I call scam charities) where like only 15% of your donation goes to the cause, and the other 85% goes into "administrative" fees...
hehehe, it almost sounds like their "administrative fees" are paid in blood. I envision a bunch of vampires working for them...
No Exit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-05, 05:05 PM   #39
RickS.
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Lafayette,La
Bikes: Kestrel Evoke & Trek7200 Hybrid
Posts: 32
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
In my experience giving blood kicked my ass on the bike for about 2 weeks. My average heart rate was about 15 beats higher at any given output. I have a friend that is a Vascular surgeon and he told me it takes about 3 weeks to completely recover.
Having said that, I give blood on a regular basis. 6 years ago i had Sepsis and almost didn't make it. I had multiple amputations as a result. Along with a bunch of transfusions. But i survived because of blood donors!!! Please donate. You or someone close to you will need blood one day. If you do not believe in donating now. You WILL.

Rick
RickS. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-05, 05:33 PM   #40
pgoat
Batüwü Griekgriek
 
pgoat's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: NYC - for the moment...
Bikes: 1985 Trek 500, 1986 Trek 500 Tri Series, 2002 Orbea Team Euskaltel, 2005 Cannondale R1000
Posts: 2,899
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
1. kudos to you (and everyone else) for giving blood

2. You'll prolly be ok if you drink and eat enough and go easy, but unless this was some special ride, why not take it easy instead? There'll be another ride next weekend.....
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
People whose sig line does not include a jsharr quote annoy me.
pgoat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-05, 05:40 PM   #41
Smoothie104
Elitist Jackass
 
Smoothie104's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Georgia
Bikes: Cannondale 2.8, Specialized S-works E5 road, GT Talera
Posts: 3,263
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Make sure you label it correctly, so after you spin it down and put it back in, you know its yours. Don't pull a Tyler Hamilton
Smoothie104 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-05, 05:44 PM   #42
KirkeIsWaiting
the dog ate my earbuds
 
KirkeIsWaiting's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Jersey Shore
Bikes: '05 Litespeed Siena Campy, Bridgestone X03 , Peugeot dream bike gets FIXED, Waterford Campy Record Colbalto, Motobecane Tandem in perfect condition, A Belgium made Bertin that was sent by an angel
Posts: 2,121
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Totoro
"Donating" blood is stupid.

First, patients get these ridiculous hospital bills. The doctors, hospital, drug companies, diagnostic companies, etc. are all making millions and they want me to "give" my blood. Then they are going to CHARGE YOU for getting it. And who is going to make the money. Not me. If they want my blood, they can pay me for it. Otherwise, the doctors, hospital, drug companies, diagnostic companies, etc. should "donate" their stuff too.

BTW: Every time you give blood, you risk getting fatal illnesses like sepsis. The executives at Merck don't take those risks when they sell you overpriced drugs like Vioxx.


Sadly, I hope you are never in need of my rare blood type that I so foolishly donate six times a year.
Just think where we'd be if everyone shared your opinion.
Until this post, I've never taken you comments to be at all stupid or pointless.
KirkeIsWaiting is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-05, 05:48 PM   #43
dicenso2870
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 6
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
In January of this year I learned I had diabetes so I can tell you a combo that doesn't work. Giving blood, not eating enough after giving blood, and being diabetic. It makes riding 30 miles seem like a century. Lesson learn on that one.
dicenso2870 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:48 PM.