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Asthma/ severe brohncial pain brought on by allergies???

Old 10-23-05, 08:18 PM
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Asthma/ severe brohncial pain brought on by allergies???

Well, one year ago I raced a cross race and I decided it wasn't for me after a really severe asthma attack. I previously had no asthma history. Flash forward to this year and my coach somehow talked me into racing cross again.
In the same amount of time on the course, the identical thing happened. Now, I raced 30 or so road races and crits this season with no problems with asthma. It wasn't a anxiety thing, and I have definately gone a LOT harder over the season. Now I do have pretty bad hay and grass allergies. If I weedwhack for about a 1/2 hour I am a total itchy mess. Could the 50+ riders kicking up all sorts of grass and stuff in my face have caused an asthma attack (or some sort of severe respitory pain)? Any similar expierences?
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Yep. You can have asthma just sitting there, waiting for an opportunity or opening to exploit. You open the door wide open with the allergies. It has happened to me, although I don't ride in the dry stuff very often. When that thing happens, there really isn't much you can do.... actually, you can wear a bandana and people will think you're real cool and mysterious
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Just make sure you carry an inhaler, taking a daily allergy pill works for many--Claritin is now sold over the counter, so you don't even need a prescription. They never worked for me though, only benedryl, which also makes you pass out, so not a good solution...

There is one train of thought which believes that you can overcome allergies by greater exposure. For example, there are shots for cat allergies, which are nothing more than concentrated cat dander--eventually though, most people get used to their own cat. (Unless the inability to breathe kills you first, depends on the severity.)
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Ya I was wondering about taking an OTC to just curb the allergie reception, rather than trying to curb the asthma specifically. Maybe I should check at the pharmacy to see if there is anything else out there. I also think it may go down with exposure, but for me a cat 3 cross race is a friggen painful way to get used to my allergies, not to mention the $20.
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Originally Posted by Ineedhelp
There is one train of thought which believes that you can overcome allergies by greater exposure. For example, there are shots for cat allergies, which are nothing more than concentrated cat dander--eventually though, most people get used to their own cat. (Unless the inability to breathe kills you first, depends on the severity.)
There is another more correct train of thought that if these exposures are not carefully controlled and monitored, you can actually worsen the allergy. Eventually most people get used to their own cat? Hogwash. Eventually most people (who are allergic) get rid of their own cats because it becomes increasingly difficult to deal with the symptoms. This is confirmed by my own doctor, and a friend who has a cat and is now taking Benadryl + Claritin every night before bed and it's still barely enough to get through the night. When she first got the cat she had no problems; it has worsened over time.
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Originally Posted by The_Convert
Ya I was wondering about taking an OTC to just curb the allergie reception, rather than trying to curb the asthma specifically. Maybe I should check at the pharmacy to see if there is anything else out there. I also think it may go down with exposure, but for me a cat 3 cross race is a friggen painful way to get used to my allergies, not to mention the $20.
Claritin (Loratidine as a generic?) is pretty good as an all-round antihistamine, which will help to some extent with asthma. But avoid the OTC asthma inhalers (Primatene mist, etc) like the plague. They are less effective in relieving asthma than the prescription alternatives (albuterol, etc) and the side effects (heart palpatations) are much worse. If you've got health insurance you're much better off getting a prescription for an asthma inhaler.
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Originally Posted by 'nother
There is another more correct train of thought that if these exposures are not carefully controlled and monitored, you can actually worsen the allergy. Eventually most people get used to their own cat? Hogwash. Eventually most people (who are allergic) get rid of their own cats because it becomes increasingly difficult to deal with the symptoms. This is confirmed by my own doctor, and a friend who has a cat and is now taking Benadryl + Claritin every night before bed and it's still barely enough to get through the night. When she first got the cat she had no problems; it has worsened over time.
I was the opposite with a cat. Miserable for the first month, couldn't sleep very well, breathing problems, red itchy blotches from contact. After that first month, things are fine. If I go on a long trip, I sometimes have reentry problems, but it is never as long as that first time. No meds either.\
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Originally Posted by steve_wmn
Claritin (Loratidine as a generic?) is pretty good as an all-round antihistamine, which will help to some extent with asthma. But avoid the OTC asthma inhalers (Primatene mist, etc) like the plague. They are less effective in relieving asthma than the prescription alternatives (albuterol, etc) and the side effects (heart palpatations) are much worse. If you've got health insurance you're much better off getting a prescription for an asthma inhaler.


I have have a big problem with this. I got so bad that I would stand up to sprint and had to sit right back down, then pull over and try to keep from passing out. I went to the doctor and now I am on Cingular once a day and breathing treatment 2 times a day and still carry a inhaler (albuterol). I take a puff before riding/racing. Seems to help alot. I still dont feel I am 100 % yet.

I am 34 and have never had asthma or breathing trouble. I was told it can be from being around second hand smoke as a child, brought on be riding, or just something in the air. Either way it sucks when you cant breath. I do know now I have a reason to be more active in the American Lung cause. Not that I need a reason but sometimes you just dont think about your health till it gives you a problem.
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I've got a long story about asthma that I'll tell later. Cost me a racing career when I had to drop all biking completely over 10-years ago. I finally got it licked. I would highly recommend an allergen test to figure out specifically what it is that's triggering the allergies. Some things you can deal with like foods. Other stuff, like airbourne pollen and other irritants are beyond your control. Unfortunately, like svtxtreme said, the drugs will only get rid of 80-90% of it... there will always be a residual amount... sucks...
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Originally Posted by 'nother
There is another more correct train of thought that if these exposures are not carefully controlled and monitored, you can actually worsen the allergy. Eventually most people get used to their own cat? Hogwash. Eventually most people (who are allergic) get rid of their own cats because it becomes increasingly difficult to deal with the symptoms. This is confirmed by my own doctor, and a friend who has a cat and is now taking Benadryl + Claritin every night before bed and it's still barely enough to get through the night. When she first got the cat she had no problems; it has worsened over time.

Yeah, they all told me that too, and hogwash nothing!

My allergies were not just severe--they were life threatening! I went to every doctor, allergist, and took every pill on the market--and if any of it worked, I'd have just kept right on with it--but nothing worked!

Oh, the asthma/bronchitis? Yeah, it was bad, but an inhaler turns all that into a minor inconvenience. In my case, it was the edema--where my allergies would cause water accumulation in various parts of my body--most severe when it went into my throat, and cut off my breathing, and in the corneas of my eyes, which would swell to where I couldn't see, and was warned that one day, my corneas could pop and I'd go blind! Almost didn't make it to the emergency room more than once.

I just didn't feel like laying down and dying so I took responsibility for my own health and life. Threw out the pills, fired the doctors, and oh, lowered my stress level by quitting my job!

So changed my diet, started my own business, and against all medical advice, started exercising fanatically as if my life depended on it--because it did!

No more doctors, no more pills, no more allergies, and now hardly work outside of tax season--and my earnings have skyrocketed.

And oh, my cat? She came into my life with an infectious desease, FIP, which is 100% fatal--I almost came to blows with the vet to keep her from being put down. The vet gave her 2 months to live and told me I was being cruel keeping her alive--that was 5 years ago and she's as healthy as I am, and sleeps on my head!

And most people I know who are also allergic to cats do eventually get used to their own. Alternatively, allergists can treat severe cat allergies by giving you a series of shots--those shots are nothing more than concentrated cat dander! The logic is that by increasing your exposure to the allergen, your immune system will automatically build defenses against it. It doesn't work for everyone though.

Children who grow up on farms rarely develop allergies, while an increasingly higher percentage of those who grow up in sterile environments do-this is currently attributed to the belief that the lack of exposure to allergens prevents their immune systems from developing the proper defenses.

It is this "train of thought" that drove my decision, and hey! For me, it's been working amazingly well! I believe that pills may have their benefits, but should only be used as a last resort, not your first option.

You of course, can believe whatever you wish.
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Originally Posted by The_Convert
Ya I was wondering about taking an OTC to just curb the allergie reception, rather than trying to curb the asthma specifically. Maybe I should check at the pharmacy to see if there is anything else out there. I also think it may go down with exposure, but for me a cat 3 cross race is a friggen painful way to get used to my allergies, not to mention the $20.
Don't make the extremely common error of thinking that fixing your allergies will decrease your risk of an asthma attack. While asthma might be triggered by your allergies, fixing your allergies WILL NOT fix your asthma. Asthma is an inflammatory illness. Treating the inflammation is ESSENTIAL to reducing your risk of an asthma attack. If you have asthma, it will likely be triggered by several different things: allergies, viral illnesses, exercise, cold, or just a random strike from the asthma demons. Taking something over the counter will give you a very false sense of security. Moreover, your next asthma attack could be life threatening (as the severity of your usual asthma attack does not predict the severity of your worst asthma attack). MANY athletes who have thought they had "mild" or "intermittant" asthma and have played around with OTC meds have ended up DEAD DEAD DEAD. So, ignore anthing you might read on this forum or anything you might hear from anyone else (even yourself). Go see a competent internist NOW and get this taken care of. Untreated or improperly treated asthma is a fatal disease -- even more fatal than some forms of cancer. Properly treated asthma is barely a nuisance.
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Originally Posted by asfried
Don't make the extremely common error of thinking that fixing your allergies will decrease your risk of an asthma attack. While asthma might be triggered by your allergies, fixing your allergies WILL NOT fix your asthma. Asthma is an inflammatory illness. Treating the inflammation is ESSENTIAL to reducing your risk of an asthma attack. If you have asthma, it will likely be triggered by several different things: allergies, viral illnesses, exercise, cold, or just a random strike from the asthma demons. Taking something over the counter will give you a very false sense of security. Moreover, your next asthma attack could be life threatening (as the severity of your usual asthma attack does not predict the severity of your worst asthma attack). MANY athletes who have thought they had "mild" or "intermittant" asthma and have played around with OTC meds have ended up DEAD DEAD DEAD. So, ignore anthing you might read on this forum or anything you might hear from anyone else (even yourself). Go see a competent internist NOW and get this taken care of. Untreated or improperly treated asthma is a fatal disease -- even more fatal than some forms of cancer. Properly treated asthma is barely a nuisance.
Irregardless of what I said above, I am in agreement with you on this, and do carry an inhaler and "epipen" with me at all times. Haven't had the need to use them for several years, but if an attack comes, I'm ready. Not going to be obstinate or take stupid risks with my health.

My sister is a doctor, and while it may seem she dispenses meds to her patients almost like candy (yeah, but most of her patients are afflicted with AIDS), as a normal rule, she won't take anything personally. She won't even allow her dentist to use novacaine unless the absolute need arises--and she says it hasn't yet, because even when drilling, they rarely hit a nerve. Improperly prescribed medication ranks somewhere around the 5th or 6th as a leading cause of death! This is a fact that has been published in most major medical journals, but far too many people pay that no mind and think meds can cure anything.

Modern medicine is a wonderful thing, but taking proper care of your health can go a long way in decreasing or entirely eliminating the need. The human body is an amazing machine.
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So, ignore anthing you might read on this forum or anything you might hear from anyone else (even yourself). Go see a competent internist NOW and get this taken care of. Untreated or improperly treated asthma is a fatal disease -- even more fatal than some forms of cancer. Properly treated asthma is barely a nuisance.
There's no need for public medicine in the US when you have the internet. Instead of the qualified opinion of a doctor, you can get the opinions of total strangers who like to guess a lot and make stuff up. And no matter what ails you, there's always guys who swear by little white pills you can buy at any I.D.A., or herbal remedies.
 
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Originally Posted by DocRay
There's no need for public medicine in the US when you have the internet. Instead of the qualified opinion of a doctor, you can get the opinions of total strangers who like to guess a lot and make stuff up. And no matter what ails you, there's always guys who swear by little white pills you can buy at any I.D.A., or herbal remedies.
No, Doc, when it comes to a life-threatening respiratory disease like asthma, we Yanks get our medical advice in cycling forums and then purchase all our UTC (under the counter) remedies from online pharmacies run by your compatriots.
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Originally Posted by DocRay
There's no need for public medicine in the US when you have the internet. Instead of the qualified opinion of a doctor, you can get the opinions of total strangers who like to guess a lot and make stuff up. And no matter what ails you, there's always guys who swear by little white pills you can buy at any I.D.A., or herbal remedies.
Qualified opinion of a doctor? Yeah, ok.

Do you actually have any idea of how much the opinion of various doctors differs? Do you really think they all AGREE on treatments? Don't you know the opinions of ALL professionals differ widely?

Until I became a CPA, I never realized this. Now I get to review the workpapers of other "professionals" and sometimes the work is so bad that it's horrifying. Tax returns and valuations of companies that are complete works of fiction and fraud so blatant that a child could spot it! On my last audit, the previous accountant just made up an "asset" in the amount of $27 million that didn't exist--and I had to report my findings to several governmental regulatory agencies, while explaining to them it wasn't my client's fault--but rather that they had "trusted" their former accountant. This isn't an occasional occurance--it happens all the time!

I no longer place any trust fully in any one person's "opinion".
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Originally Posted by Ineedhelp
Qualified opinion of a doctor? Yeah, ok...

...I no longer place any trust fully in any one person's "opinion".
As opposed to a bike forum? Ok, go to two doctors. Or three. Asthma is not a joke.
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Originally Posted by timwat
No, Doc, when it comes to a life-threatening respiratory disease like asthma, we Yanks get our medical advice in cycling forums and then purchase all our UTC (under the counter) remedies from online pharmacies run by your compatriots.

Sure, and you can buy all the "mind-altering" drugs your little heart desires from those on-line pharmacies too. No need to risk arrest by buying them from street dealers any longer!
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Originally Posted by DocRay
There's no need for public medicine in the US when you have the internet. Instead of the qualified opinion of a doctor, you can get the opinions of total strangers who like to guess a lot and make stuff up. And no matter what ails you, there's always guys who swear by little white pills you can buy at any I.D.A., or herbal remedies.

@ DOCRAY

First nobody is saying that he does or does not have asthma.

We have good doctors here in the US. With that being said, when you look the age of most of the people being treated they are mostly above the age of 60. Most of them are not biking 200 miles a week or doing much of anything. Heck most of the US population does not do much of anything, but eat!
You just have to keep in mind that everyone has tried things OVER THE COUNTER before spending a little money at the doctor.

Me posting and saying my car is making a funny noise and what do you think it is. No it does not make a mechanic. So if someone asks for help with something about there health concerns on the internet it is not wrong. The doctors here in US would be to busy to see anyone if we came in for every little pain. Thats way we have OVER THE COUNTER medicine.
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Well, part of my frustration with my asthma had to do with continually going back to doctors who would then prescribe the latest and "best" medications. None of them got rid of the asthma, the best was maybe 80%, which prevented me from doing any kind of sprint or interval workous; sure I can ride to class just fine, that was about it. I even came down with various infections because I had been taking the steroid inhaler for so long that my immune system wasn't as responsive. So another visit and they switched me to yet another "wonder drug".

My "solution" was the same as yours Ineedhelp, I changed my diet, cut out all dairy and wheat (gluten) products and it completely changed my asthma. I used to have major attacks around cats. I'd just have to pull into my mum's driveway and my eyes and nose would explode! Now I play with cats all day without any problems. I should've pushed more in the beginning for an allergen test, but all the doctors didn't think identifying the exact stuff that was triggering my allergies & asthma would've been much help... What did I know right? They were the doctors..
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Qualified opinion of a doctor? Yeah, ok.

Do you actually have any idea of how much the opinion of various doctors differs? Do you really think they all AGREE on treatments? Don't you know the opinions of ALL professionals differ widely?

Until I became a CPA, I never realized this. Now I get to review the workpapers of other "professionals" and sometimes the work is so bad that it's horrifying. Tax returns and valuations of companies that are complete works of fiction and fraud so blatant that a child could spot it! On my last audit, the previous accountant just made up an "asset" in the amount of $27 million that didn't exist--and I had to report my findings to several governmental regulatory agencies, while explaining to them it wasn't my client's fault--but rather that they had "trusted" their former accountant. This isn't an occasional occurance--it happens all the time!

I no longer place any trust fully in any one person's "opinion".
So you go on the internet to get medical advice from CPAs? I think I'll go to WebMD for 401k advice...

BTW: Most drugs purchased from Canada are manufactured in the US, it's that the CDN government negociates drug costs for the country-we don't consider people's ill health "business growth and opportunity". For every Pharma dollar spent on research, $1.50 is spent on advertising and $3 is spent on legal fees. Profits are huge.

Seriously, asthma is serious, but treatable with real prescription drugs such as inhaled corticosteroids, but you need to be accessed properly with lung volume measure and challenge tests. Allergies can actually be alleviated by excercise, adrenaline is a good treatment for inflammation. But this will not stop asthma.
 
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Originally Posted by asfried
As opposed to a bike forum? Ok, go to two doctors. Or three. Asthma is not a joke.
I went to a whole lot more than 2 or 3 doctors! I went to every asthma and allergy specialist who would see me. I have extremely good insurance! They put little grids on my back and tested me for every known allergy, tried every pill on the market and this went on for years.

Asthma's not a joke, but I don't suffer from it any longer, nor do I suffer from my former allergies. Improving your overall health may not cure everything, but it can go an awfully long way.

Herbal remedies? Well, for the most part, I now just eat healthy, but how do you think medications are made? They're taken from herbs, plants, etc., which are then chemically processed.

Vitamins, minerals useless? Why do you think they put iodine in salt? Do you know what causes scurvey, and why sailors used to suck on lemons and limes?

Believe what ever you wish.
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Originally Posted by DocRay
So you go on the internet to get medical advice from CPAs? I think I'll go to WebMD for 401k advice...

BTW: Most drugs purchased from Canada are manufactured in the US, it's that the CDN government negociates drug costs for the country-we don't consider people's ill health "business growth and opportunity". For every Pharma dollar spent on research, $1.50 is spent on advertising and $3 is spent on legal fees. Profits are huge.

Seriously, asthma is serious, but treatable with real prescription drugs such as inhaled corticosteroids, but you need to be accessed properly with lung volume measure and challenge tests. Allergies can actually be alleviated by excercise, adrenaline is a good treatment for inflammation. But this will not stop asthma.
My asthma was triggered by allergic reactions, so yes, exercise CAN eleviate asthma because the two are quite often closely related.

You will also note that I am qualifying most of my statements, and not stating them as absolutes. Everyone is different, and different treatments work for different people.

Your statement regarding going to CPAs for medical advice? Doesn't equate. I rarely consult other CPAs on accounting issues, much less for medical advice.

And the only doctor I consult now on my allergies is my sister, who is an internal specialist, has won a number of awards, and is considered at the top of her field. Our whole family has allergies/asthma, but she treats hers the same way I treat mine--the rest suffer and don't listen to her either.

But as long as you brought up the "profit motivation", yeah, so instead trust your health in a doctor who sees you for all of 30 seconds before writing out that prescription. How many of them do you think take the time to fully and properly assess each individual out of the 50 patients they see each day before prescribing a medication? Not many doctors are running a charity operation, and see as many patients as their schedule can handle.

Why don't you really ask a doctor to give you the honest truth? Most of the ones I know personally (and I know quite a few) will tell you that most of their patients would be far better off if they lost some weight, watched their diet, and took up an exercise program, but no one wants to hear that--they just want a pill! So they just give them what they want!
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