Patriot

Anyone try them out yet?

The new 06's are designed with very similar engineering and pivot points as Ultegras. Weight is also down to 340g. Just curious how they function. Their price is good, and I am considering a pair, now that I figured out the Cane Creek SCR-5 is exactly the same caliper as Tektro RX-40's, only three times as expensive, and with the little lizard logo.

mrballistic

i'd like to know about this too. i'm beginning a campy bike build in january, and would like to avoid having to go record on the calipers if i could help it.

in true ocp fashion, i really want black calipers -- so it's these, record, or something silly expensive.

Patriot

There are other options, like the Cane creeks, Tektros and even the Mavic calipers, which I have also considered, but the Mavics are a bit pricey, like the Record brakes. I love the Zero g's on my carbon bike, but wanted to try something differant, and wanted to keep it Campy if possible.

One thing if you'll notice, the Mirage calipers do not have a quick release on the caliper arm, so how do you release them to remove the wheel?

SDRider

Ugh, how could you build a Campy bike and put Shimano brakes on it? That's like putting GM parts on a Ferrari.

Patriot

Um, where did he say he was putting Shimano brakes on it?

Mirage calipers are Campagnolo.

mrballistic

if i'm not mistaken, the quick release is in the shifter hood, right?

(and yeah -- it'd have to be campy all the way or not at all. though i may use an fsa crank for symmetry with my other ride -- but, otherwise, it'll be all campy)

Patriot

Oh DUH!!!!

Yup, you're right, I totally forgot about that. I had to think about that for a minute. (deleted my other post)

I keep forgetting, because my other brakes have the release on the calipers. ie, Zero g's, and the Cane Creeks on my wifes bike. Even the Suntours on my old Centurion are like that. I am so used to doing it the other way out of habit.

Man, talk about a major blonde moment.

galen_52657

you squeez the lever, they stop you...what's not to like???

56/12 and 22/28

They might not look the part.

mrballistic

heh... it's more than that. i'm mostly worried about their ability to stay true (so i don't have to adjust them all the time). a few dozen grams either way doesn't matter.

galen_52657

They look exactly like the Veloce only in black....



So I am sure they will work just fine....

cyclintom

I have a couple of sets of Tektros and they work as well as any brake I've used except the first year dual pivots from Shimano 105s and the next years first release of the Dura Ace dual pivots. After that Shimano must have been sued or something and their brakes never worked as good as then.

chuck731

Because Shimano's dual pivot breaks are both better designed and better performing than campy equivalent right now. The difference in performance is slight, but it is there. Campy Record front break calipers are visibly more flexy than even Ultegras. The difference in design is more tangible - Shimano's release cam is very useful. Campy offers no such thing. Shimano has a centering screw. Campy doesn't. Campy has orbital adjustment, I don't think Shimano has it yet.

That being said, I still can't bear to spoil my record group with anything Shimano.

Patriot

Actually the new Mirage brakes look quite a bit differant from the Veloce when you put the two side by side. The angles are all differant, but with similar pivot points. The Mirage are also 30g lighter than Veloce now, which is odd since it is the lower line. Makes me wonder why they didn't trickle down the Veloce, and use the new lighter design for the Veloce/Centaur groups.

K6-III

Campy does have a centering screw, only it takes a tiny allen.

cs1

Actually they look just like the Tektro's. Much more squared off than traditional Campy. Personally, I use the Monoplaner brakes on my bikes. I know they're heavy and yesterdays technology but they look great.

Tim

Patriot

At first, that's what I thought, but they really aren't Tektros either. Trust me, I had 5 printed pictures of differant brakes all lined up on my desk, and looked closely at the angles, machining, and pivot points. The Cane Creek SCR-5 brakes are almost exactly the same aas the Tektros, but not the Mirage. The Mirage actually have the most similar in engineering to the Ultegras and Veloce with their pivot points, but the Ultegras have more wavey machining, to make them look more fancy and aero looking.

jhota

Mirage brifters used to be the lightest after Record as well. probably due to less expensive and less durable materials (plastic bushings vs. metal, etc.).

galen_52657

Mirage:





and Voloce. Mirage have longer & wider arms to clear wider tires. That's about the only difference.

Patriot

I suppose that makes sense. The width reminds me of my Zero G's. I could run some pretty big tires with those if I wanted to.

chuck731

Mirage calipers have that mechanical Shimano look. Veloce calipers looks more elegant and Campy.

cs1

Yes the Veloce does look more elegant. Then that's part of the Campy mystique, we pay more, lots more, for looks. I am as guilty as the rest. Interesteing post so far.

Tim

Patriot

Just a thought. Concerning the wider arms of the Mirage....

I wonder if having the secondary pivot points further apart provide more leverage when braking is applied, making it easier to stop with less pressure?

Also, I wonder how the overall feel is differant? The Mirage caliper arms have more of a 90deg angle vs. Veloce which are more of a bow shape.

chuck731

I think Campy's dual pivot brakes are less mechanically efficient than Shimano's. As a Campy user, I have to say once a concept is settled, Shimano is usually able to come up with a slightly better engineered implementation of it than Campy.

It just seems Shimano has more competent engineers to throw into minor design tweeks than Campy does.

Patriot

Didn't realize this was a Shimmy vs. Campy thread...

So, your answer is no? They won't have any change in feel, or differance in leverage from applied pressure when stopping? That seems odd, since the angular design is so differant.