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    I picked up a NOS 2003 Litespeed Tuscany for a decent price. It is New, built, but never ridden. It was not what I envisioned what I would be building, however sometimes the bike picks you rather than you picking the bike. As much as I wanted a new CF Wunder bike, I really needed a road bike that I could ride everyday with out worrying about scratching, or beating on it too hard. Something fast, that could get me to work in relative ease with out breaking a sweat, yet be more business than nonsense. So Basically it would be a glorified commuter bike if you will, yet more or less be my main Road Bicycle to ride rain or shine. From what I read about the Tuscany, it seems to fit the bill of what I was looking for, even though I had my heart set on a Colnago, (another time I suppose)

    The Tuscany was in a size that was slightly larger than my corresponding bike fit (53-54cm) at 55cm. However with the integrated Headset, and typical Litespeed dropped top tube, it could be a comfortable bike with a slightly shorter stem that would fit for it's intended use. The top tube of the 55cm (seat tube) Tuscany is said to be 55cm, so based on what I know, my reach should be around 67cm with stem. That means a 120mm stem should fit the bill, however I'm thinking more 110mm'ish for a more upright fit.

    I have not received the bike yet, however it should be here any-day now. Tracking number states it should be here this week. I know there are few Tuscany owners here so I would like your help.

    • What is the Seat post Diameter of this frame?
    • What is the Front Derailleur Clamp Diameter?
    • I assume the bottom bracket is English Thread
    • What would you have done differently on your Tuscany?



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    The fork that comes with it is a non Integrated, so it looks a bit strange. I have already ordered a Reynolds Ozo Pro Integrated with 40mm rake (spec'd for the 55cm Tuscany)

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    Congratulations and good luck with the build!
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    Quote Originally Posted by blandin
    Congratulations and good luck with the build!
    Thanks Blandin! Beautiful Avatar BTW
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    baby...

    those pics made me do this:


    prediction: once you get that built and ride it, you'll think 'colnago who?'

    kind of kindles a little flame in me that says: 'you have a al bike, you're building a carbon bike, soooo, the next logical bike to build is....


    too bad about the forks - the first set i got for my pedal force build had the same look, and am still waiting for the replacements.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ostuni
    baby...

    those pics made me do this:

    prediction: once you get that built and ride it, you'll think 'colnago who?'

    kind of kindles a little flame in me that says: 'you have a al bike, you're building a carbon bike, soooo, the next logical bike to build is....


    too bad about the forks - the first set i got for my pedal force build had the same look, and am still waiting for the replacements.....
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    At the rate you buy bicycles and equipment, I predict a Ti is in the future for you to Ostuni However you'll have to finish that lovely PF Carbon bike first....

    Truth be known, I have always wanted a Colnago since I began cycling as a young boy. I promised myself I would one day own one, but other stuff just keeps getting in the way

    About the fork, I supposed I could have actually lived with it, for once the brakes were on, it would not look so bad, however it just didn't seem right. I do like how the crown is painted with the silver fade, albeit slightly off, however I'm sure it's not so badly off in person. I also don't like the Litespeed decals on the front, and I wanted a less pronouced curvature such as in the Reynolds Ozo Pro Fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ViperZ
    Thanks Blandin! Beautiful Avatar BTW
    That's a shot of the bottom bracket welds on my TST titanium. Looking at the pictures of your Lightspeed, you've got some pretty outrageous welds yourself.
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    27.2mm seatpost and a 31.8mm oversize derailleiur clamp should do it. Bracket will be english thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by blandin
    That a shot of the bottom bracket welds on my TST titanium. Looking at the pictures of your Lightspeed, you've got some pretty outrageous welds yourself.
    Nice indeed that TST!


    Quote Originally Posted by classic1
    27.2mm seatpost and a 31.8mm oversize derailleiur clamp should do it. Bracket will be english thread
    Thanks! Now I can go looking for those parts
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    Interesting thread. I have a Tuscany and have been afraid to put it on my indoor trainer because it was too nice! I had been putting an old Trek on my Cyclops, but the Trek has finally died and I haven't messed with it yet. My spousal unit will find it "amusing" to learn that my close-to-$2000 bike is a glorified beater. But that will give me license to start saving up for a Seven custom-build.

    The Tuscany's a great bike. Pretty sturdy, too. I've crashed mine enough times to know!

    Good luck with building yours up.
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    Nooooooooo! What are you going to do with the infamous red "Trek"?

    Looks like a very nice frame. I've found that Merlin/Litespeed frames can be a bit variable in terms of weld quality (not that it really matters, but you know how Ti owners obsess over weld quality!), ranging from good to very good. But from those close up pics it looks like you got the welder on a good day

    I reckon the frame's a pretty good fit if an 11-12cm stem gives you your ideal reach. I always aim for a top tube that gives the right reach when paired with a 10-11cm stem.

    I think Ti is the perfect choice for an all year, everyday bike. My Seven is 6 months old and has done about 2000 miles, half of that in the winter, and the frame still looks as good as the day I built it. Good luck with the build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JollyMon
    The Tuscany's a great bike. Pretty sturdy, too. I've crashed mine enough times to know!

    Good luck with building yours up.
    Wow, now thats interesting. It's been a long time since I crashed a road bike, but it at least I know the frame should stand up to it

    Thanks!


    Quote Originally Posted by mingsta
    Nooooooooo! What are you going to do with the infamous red "Trek"?

    Looks like a very nice frame. I've found that Merlin/Litespeed frames can be a bit variable in terms of weld quality (not that it really matters, but you know how Ti owners obsess over weld quality!), ranging from good to very good. But from those close up pics it looks like you got the welder on a good day
    The Trek is a Keeper, however thats the main reason for this bike. Seeing as the Trek is now 17 years old, I just don't want to beat it up with daily commutes. It'll still be ridden

    I think the frame should be a good fit as well. I had a choice between a 53 or a 55cm. I chose to go 55 just for my goals with this bike.

    It is all about the welds with a Ti bike isn't it? Your Seven is a Beauty!

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ViperZ
    Wow, now thats interesting. It's been a long time since I crashed a road bike, but it at least I know the frame should stand up to it

    Thanks!




    The Trek is a Keeper, however thats the main reason for this bike. Seeing as the Trek is now 17 years old, I just don't want to beat it up with daily commutes. It'll still be ridden

    I think the frame should be a good fit as well. I had a choice between a 53 or a 55cm. I chose to go 55 just for my goals with this bike.

    It is all about the welds with a Ti bike isn't it? Your Seven is a Beauty!

    Thanks!

    I cant remember if youre a campy user or not, but I have a 32mm record front derailleur that came off my Prince I'm parting with if you are...

    nice bike, I think you'll love it.
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    Tuscany's are great all around road frames. I have heard nothing but great things about them. You can enjoy almost every aspect of riding them. And the curved seat stays will give you a very plush ride.
    My TST frame has welds that look just like that. Perfect. Except my TST will be partially painted.
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    Double check that seatpost and FD size. The 2005 Litespeed webpage lists the Tuscany as having a 31.6 seatpost. I think you'll find that the FD is 34.9.
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    Welcome from a fellow Tuscany owner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caveman
    Double check that seatpost and FD size. The 2005 Litespeed webpage lists the Tuscany as having a 31.6 seatpost. I think you'll find that the FD is 34.9.
    From Litespeed website, specs for 2003 frames. You're right on the FD clamp. 1 3/8" converts to 34.9mm. Seatpost and BB as I'd previously stated


    All of our road frames are measured in centimeters, and all of our mountain bikes in inches. All of our bikes utilize a 27.2 seat post and a 68mm English threaded bottom bracket. All of our mountain and road bikes utilize a 1 1/8" steerer. The following front derailleurs are needed for the following models: all mountain bikes (1 3/8" top pull). Veneto (1 1/4" bottom pull). Ghisallo, Tuscany, Vortex, Siena, Classic, Antares, Sirius and Blue Ridge (1 3/8" bottom pull). Ultimate, Saber, Orion, Hyperion and Blade (braze-on bottom pull)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mellowdave
    I cant remember if youre a campy user or not, but I have a 32mm record front derailleur that came off my Prince I'm parting with if you are...

    nice bike, I think you'll love it.
    Thanks MellowDave, I'm going to use Campagnolo Record 10. I have bought the shifters, Crank-set & bottom bracket, so I could use derailleurs yet. What shape is your FD in? If you can, please PM me with your expected price and photos if possible.


    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot
    Tuscany's are great all around road frames. I have heard nothing but great things about them. You can enjoy almost every aspect of riding them. And the curved seat stays will give you a very plush ride.
    My TST frame has welds that look just like that. Perfect. Except my TST will be partially painted
    I have read that many say if you can only have one bike, and it was to be a Litespeed, a Tuscany is it. It just seemed like a well rounded machine.

    A painted Ti bike would be unique to be sure.... Can;t wait to see what you do with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caveman
    Double check that seatpost and FD size. The 2005 Litespeed webpage lists the Tuscany as having a 31.6 seatpost. I think you'll find that the FD is 34.9.
    Thanks Caveman and Classic1, I just found that on the Litespeed's 2003 Tuscany Site too.

    I guess that rules out Mellowdave's Front Record Derailleur....


    Quote Originally Posted by daytonian
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    The Tuscany with the excellent Silver Fizik Arione Thanks!
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    Anyone know what the weight limits are of the line of Rolf Wheels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ViperZ
    Thanks Caveman and Classic1, I just found that on the Litespeed's 2003 Tuscany Site too.

    I guess that rules out Mellowdave's Front Record Derailleur....




    The Tuscany with the excellent Silver Fizik Arione Thanks!
    Sucky, sorry.

    Its mint too..

    The Cervelo of course uses a Braze on which I dont have if anyone out there is listening...
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    I'd check that seatpost size again if I were you. I don't know what model year your Tuscany is, but my 05' Solano and my friends Teramo are both 31.6. The webpage for the 05' Tuscany clearly says it's a 31.6. I'm not trying to start an argument. I just don't want to see you shell out for a seatpost that doesn't fit. Remember that old carpentry addage: Measure twice, cut once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caveman
    I'd check that seatpost size again if I were you. I don't know what model year your Tuscany is, but my 05' Solano and my friends Teramo are both 31.6. The webpage for the 05' Tuscany clearly says it's a 31.6. I'm not trying to start an argument. I just don't want to see you shell out for a seatpost that doesn't fit. Remember that old carpentry addage: Measure twice, cut once.
    It's a 2003 (New Old Stock). It arrived today too, so I quickly took some pictures, then started to touchy-feely it all up

    Seat post is indeed a 27.2mm (sorry for the mis-measure, it was tough holding the calipers steady while taking the picture)














    My gosh this thing is beautiful to hold in your hand It's light, and seems so strong yet elegant. There certainly is something about Raw Titanium that brings out the emotions in some people, I happen to be one of them. What made me laugh was this thing felt lighter than the box it came packed in. My wife was watching when I unpacked it, and really knows nothing about materials or bikes, however gasped at how stunning the frame is. It's a shame to hang parts on it I love the Clover leaf shaped top tube and all the other multi shaped tubes. Pictures just can't convey the detail and beauty of this frame.

    The frame was as stated, it's brand New! The fork actually looks much better in person, and had I not had the Reynolds coming, I would have just used this fork.

    So now I need some wheels next...
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    Looking at your guage, I would say you need a 26.8mm seatpost, not a 27. Thomson, and others I'm sure, make this size. http://store.airbomb.com/ItemDesc.asp?IC=ST7382

    Oh, and not to forget, that's one hot frame!
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    Quote Originally Posted by blandin
    Looking at your guage, I would say you need a 26.8mm seatpost, not a 27. Thomson, and others I'm sure, make this size. http://store.airbomb.com/ItemDesc.asp?IC=ST7382
    No, it actually is a 27.2mm, however it was tough to hold the calipers (steady) and take a picture at the same time
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    Now that is funny, providing an approximate measurement with a digital instrument, and here I thought I was being helpful . . . oh well.
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