rpenmanparker 

You make a very good point. If I don't wish to partake in idiotic banter about how to perform the impossible task of making everyone happy with everyone else in a paceline, then I shouldn't participate in this thread. It's not like the thread title is misleading or anything. Lesson learned. Thanks.

halfspeed

Except the problem of riding alone.

halfspeed

Expected behavior on a group ride is surprisingly consistent around the world. It's not hard. All you need is sense enough to learn at the appropriate time and place.

rpenmanparker 

This last post of yours is pure common sense. That is what makes all the yelling so stupid.

halfspeed

It would be stupid except that there are people who jump in the deep end without having learned what those expectations are. This puts everyone at risk. It's always nicer to take someone aside and quietly explain what's happening, but that isn't always possible. Sometimes it's critical to correct bad behavior NOW to make everyone safer. If you haven't ridden on a fast competitive ride with experienced racers, you can't truly understand the dynamic. Criticisms from ignorance are not helpful.

rpenmanparker 

You competely miss my point. I couldn't give a rat's ass about behavior in a paceline, either the good, the bad, or the yelling. Matters not to me. It is the talking about it, the thread title, the premiise and the responses, that are so juvenile. BITD I had my share of paceline experience, none of which has anything to do with proudly spouting off about yelling at folks. Like I said, juvenile.

halfspeed

Apparently so, because I can't make any sense out of the rest of this:

LAJ

Exactly

In a race, in a paceline, in a group setting, you would be amazed how many people just cannot do what the person in front of them just did. Example: Ten people pull off to the left, yet there is one rider that decides to pull off to the right. Sometimes there really is a time and a place for louder than normal volume.

rpenmanparker 

I have no objection to that. I just don't want to see a thread about it. That is what is juvenile. Do what is necessary, just don't talk so much about it: "I'm gonna yell at you. And your momma can't protect you." Come on, really?

LAJ

Read through the thread. Punctuated by bravado, false or otherwise, there really is some good stuff. As is normal, it started as one thing, and evolved into another.

rpenmanparker 

You could if you tried. It is pretty straight forward. The gist of it is don't ask for trouble you can't handle. Just ride.

Voodoo76

Well then on rpenmanparkerforums.com there won't be a thread about it, cool.

Vicegrip

Wait, what, this is not rpenmanparkerfourms.com?

BillyD

Let's not get personal, gents. Different strokes for different folks, that's all.

halfspeed

That's pretty much the point of the thread so I'm a bit puzzled as to why you find it objectionable. Is this information you'd rather people not have?

rpenmanparker 

Sorry, but that's not the way I see it. In the vast majority of POSITIVE posts starting right at the beginning, the point of the thread is to puff out the poster's chest as he disclaims any ego, then immediately discredit that position as he brags about how rigorous his group ride is, let novices know they better not cross the regular members of the ride group, and just generally be unpleasant. Why this behavior has such a nearly 10 year following should be beyond my understanding, but it is not. I understand all too well that such behavior apparently is highly regarded on the 41, and that is exactly what I find sad. Like I said before, it doesn't matter how the group ride is conducted with yelling or without. That is the least of the issues. It is the strutting and preening and warning folks they had better watch out that is so unattractive. Well, unattractive to me at least. Apparently lots of other folks think that is really cool.

3alarmer 

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...I've started swimming again, after a layoff of about 8 years because of problems with the constant chlorine exposure. I am happy to report that no one ever yells at me when I swim.

3alarmer 

...#itsallfununtilsomebodygetstheirfeelingshurt

NoviceJohn

If your group is so strict about paceline etiquette, why are you letting people join you? You and your group is just asking for people to NOT follow your rules. Save yourself the headache and just kindly say no.

Voodoo76

Tomorrow go swim on the wrong side of your lane, stop on the wall right in the middle, or jump in on top of somebody. Let us know what happens.

WhyFi

I have never read the first post of this thread... until now. I can't say that I'm seeing what you're seeing. I'm seeing declarative statement, pure and simple. To me, it seems that you interpret the act of yelling as having certain emotional and motivational baggage attached to it. To others, yelling is simply communicating at loud volume.

bt

My group consists of Me, Myself and I.

Yes, there is plenty of yelling.

FLvector

If you think this thread is juvenile and don't want to see a thread about it, a simple solution would be to simply ignore it. There are many threads and other subforums that I gloss over and never poke in to read since the title doesn't interest me. Funny, but after it gets locked down, then I'll go back to explore what all the banter was about and why it got locked. Although I have opinions, I also try not to comment on things I know little about.

Go back and read the original post. The OP sets the tone and explains what to expect during their training rides and why you might get yelled at. With group rides around 30 mph that I do on occasion, there is little room for error, and one dumb move can result in a major crash. This has nothing to do with egos, it is about correcting errors that shouldn't occur in the pace line. The dynamics of each group ride can be different, but this thread started with hard training rides with riders that understand the etiquette of their ride. It is common that someone will invite a friend or two who's not familiar with their etiquette and do something that puts others at risk. In this situation, there's no time to pull them off to the side and explain when rolling fast, it is much better to yell to quickly communicate the message. No one should have their feelings hurt. In pace lines with B and C groups, there's more opportunity to convey the message. Someone should be able to simply pull up beside the rider to explain and correct, rather than yell. With fast A rides, this isn't going to happen.

rpenmanparker 

Whoops, you got me. I deleted that post, but you must have jumped on it before I did. No matter.

You got it right though. I see a strong psychological component in all the "pro" posts. Hell, maybe in all my objections too.

rpenmanparker 

That's all fine, but you are doing the same thing as Voodoo76, confusing my objection to the braggadocio with a non-existent objection to the disciplinary actions needed to keep a fast pace line moving smoothly. I have said time and again that I understand what is necessary to operate a fast pace line and how those behaviors might need to be enforced. Apparently I see the op and many of the subsequent posts over a full 9 years differently than you do, as a pure ego trip. As far as ignoring the thread, sure, but what's the fun in that. I read stuff I like so I can say I like it. I read stuff I don't like so I can say that too. I am a very well rounded person.