SpeshulEd 

This is beautiful.

Bob Ross

Thread is titled "We're going to yell at you", not "We're going to whine about you." Try to follow along, okay?

mapeiboy

Not any more . It seems like everyone is training for the grand tours these days .

patrickgm60

I can see why there are no egos..

bakes1

I hear that
I guess how fast your group is riding also determines how serious you should be about safety?
Not!
Never understood from the first post in this thread why the speed and level of ability had to be a factor.

knitmeapie

Group rides terrify me and reading all these rules makes me think I'll just stick to riding by myself or with a buddy or two for all eternity. I'm way too much of a ****z to ride that close to someone else.

Props to y'all who do this crazy ****.

Also, wouldn't it limit your ability to use bike computers? The manual I have for my wireless stuff says it gets wonky if you're within 10 feet of someone else with a wireless computer/heart rate monitor.

kbarch

It's not about how serious one should be, it's about how the hazards increase, or how much more likely safety is to be an issue - for what should be obvious reasons.
One might be able to ride fast, and one might be able to ride in a paceline, but it takes skill to be able to do both at the same time safely and without disrupting the operation, so to speak. Greater concentration is required at higher speeds, and ones willingness to follow another wheel closely is based on confidence (or even faith) in the consistent skill of that wheel. The faster, tighter and smoother the paceline is, the more it's like a finely tuned machine, and to such a group an interloper is like a monkey wrench.

kbarch

Oh, it's not THAT crazy, really. And it's not like anyone takes it up because they like yelling at strangers.

I say this because if you ever consider trying to be less of a ****, and if there is a club or group in your area that makes a point of teaching group riding skills, I'd encourage you to give it a shot. If you really are a ****, it can be a lot of fun to learn not to be. After that, even if you still mostly ride by yourself or with only one or two others, there will always be occasions when you'll want to be smooth, and when you find you can be, it's very rewarding.

gregf83 

Yeah we get that. Give it a try sometime and you'll understand.

Nikephoros

Level of ability I agree but speed is definitely a factor. Force is a product of multiplication. A crash at 22 miles and hour is significantly more impact force than a crash at 20mph. A crash at 32mph right before your city limits sign sprint is potentially much more catastrophic than a 15mph crash on a leisure ride. So I do reckon that if you are going to be riding at 30+ mph you should be significantly more concerned with safety than at 15.

bakes1

Lol
My point was obviously that you can also get seriously hurt when riding at 20 mph.
That and if you are that scared about getting hurt at higher speeds maybe you shouldn't be attempting it on PUBLIC roads.
Or maybe learn how to adapt and deal with the rest of the human race without having to grab a jersey like a pseudo tough guy...

DaveWC

Anyone notice the trend that those that have no experience with a subject are the most authoritative about it? The guy who has never owned or ridden tubeless rims has the most vehement opinions about them... The owner of the $350 BD bike knows for a fact that $3,000+ bikes are a waste of money... The 18mph cyclist that has never ridden in a 30mph rotating double echelon pace line has a keen insight into the risks, dangers & best practices... You can usually spot these posters because they start their posts with words like "I've never understood why..." and then they go on to act like an expert on the subject that they've never understood nor experienced.

SpeshulEd 

Don't let this thread deter you from riding in a group. Group riding is a blast and there are all kinds of rides and groups to join, you don't have to pick the fastest one with all the racer bros. There are plenty of other options out there full of riders who just like a bit of camaraderie. The more you ride in a group, the better you become at handling your bike in a group. It's really not that hard once you get used to the flow of things...and riding in a pack at 20+ miles an hour is quite the rush.

As for the computer getting wonky, I've only had this issue if I didn't pair my devices before getting into the pack. Once the HRM and speed/cadence sensors are paired, there shouldn't be any issues with them trying to pair again in the middle of the ride.

bakes1

Spoken like another true amateur
Or am I wrong and you actually do get paid to ride?
But ofc one can assume that you believe in varying degrees of amateur riding based upon your silly analogy.
And that these degrees or differences make your opinions more valuable lol

DaveWC

It seems like it's a pretty simply point I was making. Some folks voice strong opinions on things with which they have no experience.

halfspeed

That's kinda the point.

halfspeed

Experience trumps inexperience. That's hard to understand?

Nachoman

Correct. But I'll cut you slack because of your Europe 72 avatar.

K.Katso

This thread is the gift that keeps on giving

kc0bbq

Not one dangerous rider thinks they're dangerous, or they wouldn't be dangerous. Not one person in a grand fondo on a tri-bike who can't hold a line and weaves all over the place thinks they're dangerous. Not one person in a fast group ride who goes to stand on the pedals for a climb and throws his bike back two feet thinks their skills are weak and could possibly hurt someone else. The ones who care aren't the ones who get all defensive at being told to stop trying to hurt someone.

I've been yelled at for a stupid move, I panicked after losing a bottle after hitting some rumble strips and stopped instead of being not stupid and getting away from the other riders safely. I felt pretty bad about it and made sure to apologize to every jersey I recognized at the next rest stop. I could have seriously hurt someone over a bit of easily replaced plastic, and I deserved it. The whole situation reminded me to stay calm and focused and think. Everyone screws up a little bit here and there, and accidents happen, but sometimes you need to be yelled at to remind you of that.

If you care enough about the other rider's safety you take it the right way, if you don't you puff up your chest and act like someone is questioning your manhood.

Lazyass

By definition whining is complaining in an annoying way. Yelling at an adult hoping it will modify a behaivor to your liking on a bicycle ride is annoying. Assuming you don't have a 100mph headwind where you may have to yell to be heard, no, you do not have to yell. And "be a dick" as you stated you are towards people. The speed of the group, even the obvious record setting speeds of your little local group, is irrelevant. Nor is safety more important than a slower group as someone actually insinuated. Some day you may end up yelling and being a dick with the wrong person who takes it as personal disrespect. It's a bicycle ride, not basic training.

It reminds me of a informal club I rode with in the early-mid 90's in Fayetteville. The ride leader was a short hispanic guy who used to be a cat 1 or something. Reminded me of Nibali. That dude could ride you into the ground (I crushed him on sprints) but the problem was he knew it and it made his head swell. He could be a serious dick, especially with new guys. Arrogant little SOB. Not a good idea when you're in the vicinity of Ft Bragg and the majority of us were paratroopers. One day he was a dick towards the wrong person and he almost got a beat down at a stop and that dude would have snapped him in half. He's the one who ended up modifying his behaivor. He was pretty cool after that and the rides were much more enjoyable. You can correct people without being a freaking dick. And if you're a ride leader then having some actual leadership skills helps.

Lazyass

I didn't say anything about a threat. I personally wouldn't "threaten" anyone. If I was going to do something there wouldn't be a discussion. But if you're going to yell and be a dick to someone you shouldn't be so shocked and offended as you seem to be if the person wants to come after you.

Lazyass

Nice dramatization. I'm a realist. Different human beings react to someone yelling and being a dick towards them in different ways. It surprises and offends you that there's some guys who would want to throw down if you are a dick and yell at them?

Lazyass

Well, you seem to be the, ah, politically correct type. I thought bullying wasn't PC? If you're going to be man enough to bully another adult by being a dick and yelling at him over a bicycle ride you should be man enough to deal with that one guy who wants to beat your ass. I wouldn't, but I would be even more of a dick and yell even louder back. If you kept running your mouth after that then there's no telling where it would go. I get the feeling someone like you shouldn't be yelling at anyone. Don't be Billy Bob Thornton in Tombstone haha

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