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    I have a question...

    Is Calfee one of those brands that has cross-stereotypical appeal into the world of retro-grouch, ti-lovers, and OCP? I think of Calfee as the carbon fiber bike for the "steel is real" crowd. Not that I know anything at all or anything, heh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by operator
    That's mainly the new school guys anyway with the exception of Colnago. The premium ones are more like lugged steel frames from Bianchi, Cinelli, Pinarello etc.

    Then you have the custom steel guys.
    I prefer Waterford. You can get the stainless lug option. It looks just like chrome plated lugs. You won't see many of these on the road. You can snag a Chorus one for under $4K no problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadwarrior
    I read this, then read your sig line....
    LOL

    I never caught the signature line the first time around. Good job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariner Fan
    You don't hear much about Klein's anymore. I wonder if Trek is going to drop this line? Too bad, because they used to be a nice bike.
    I have noticed this also, it is really a shame. Klein did more for the Aluminum bike frame than probably any other single person. It too bad that although a very smart guy, Gary Klein did some incredibly, at the time, stupid things. One was the idea that a bottom bracket would never need service, with that dumb pressed in BB that he used and convinced his friend Gary Fisher to use also. I was going to add that really dumb 1 1/4" headtube, but with the new Cannondale has a huge head tube. I have a Klein Quantum and would not trade it for anything. It would really be a shame if the Klein name went away.
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    Cannon--bigger is better--dale used 1-1/4" HSs for a spell.

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    My .02 worth.

    Orbea are beutiful bikes.
    Scott with the natural/nude carbon are very hot.

    There are more but these are two brands that w/o being "exotic" are "rare".

    Treks, Lemonds, Specialized, Litespeed I see every where. Not bad bike just a lot of em.

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    Calfee is a pioneer in carbon fiber bikes. Kestrel is also. On the titanium side, perhaps some of the more esoteric ones are Dean and Habanero. For steel, maybe Salsa.

    One of the most unusual bikes is the silver carbon fiber Bianchi 928. The carbon fibers have an aluminum coating. That's what makes them look silvery...

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    Quote Originally Posted by filtersweep
    I would pull Cervelo, Scott, and Litespeed out of there (no offense)- Cervelo and Scott are notorious for using a bunch of shady OEM parts. Litespeed doesn't sell framesets. You probably want to build your own bike (not literally- but handpicking the parts and components).

    Skip the custom steel- it is nice, but not worth paying a premium. Yes- I have two steel bikes- but there is nothing quite like carbon.

    My list in no particular order: Wilier, Colnago, Look, Time, Calfee, BMC, Parlee, if you like carbon-- and you could add boutique titanium builders like Moots in there as well.

    Litespeed does indeed sell framesets. I am looking at buying one from LBS soon. He has three hanging in the shop right now. You won't see framesets on their web site, but they do sell just frames. A few years ago they tried selling lower end frames (Tuscany and below) as complete bikes but their sales were less than stellar. You can get at least their top 4 frames as framesets as well as full bikes. A Tuscany/Siena frame will set you back about $2500 or so.

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    You've got to go to vel europa and check out the Cyfac frames. Very drool worthy

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    oops I mean velo europa

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    I just got a Guru steel w/ carbon chain & seat gurubikes.com
    I got mine through a LBS with a fitting and set-up. I just saw that they changed their web site where you can buy direct but you still need your measurements. I'd rather deal with a LBS dealerand get a proper fit. Mine threw in a different paint option, saved $125. Alsc upgraded to DA shifters
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    I went from a 1992 Trek 2100 w/aftermarket OCLV carbon fork (back then the 2100's had a carbon tubed main triangle) to a 1998 IF Crown Jewel (TruTemper and Reynolds 853 steels w/Steelman straight bladed steel fork). It was a bargain build for me since the LBS was our sponsor and IF was the team bike supplier then. The build was less than 3k. I'm still riding the IF religiously. Ride is as good now as it was when i bought it. Even better since i upgraded it from 8sp D/A to 9sp D/A and a FSA carbon Team Issue crank. Im pondering the 1" threadless carbon fork upgrade. The Trek will again get rebuilt as a dedicated TT bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scooped
    I just got a Guru steel w/ carbon chain & seat. I got mine through a LBS with a fitting and set-up. I just saw that they changed their web site where you can buy direct but you still need your measurements. I'd rather deal with a LBS dealerand get a proper fit. Mine threw in a different paint option, saved $125. Alsc upgraded to DA shifters
    I almost bought one of these but was concerned about the durability of the Dedacciai EOM tubes...

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    Unfortunately there are so many out there, I don't think we could list them all. I would ask myself, "self, do I want a bike that everyone else has and risk the bike not fitting quite right or do I want something that's truly unique and fits like a condom, er, glove?"

    Not so unique = Most mentioned here (Very nice though)
    Litespeed
    Colnago
    Orbea
    Pinarello
    Cervelo
    Bianchi
    Etc.
    Etc.

    Unique= Custom (some of these have off the shelf alternatives)
    Independent Fabrications
    Calfee
    Land Shark
    Steelman
    etc
    etc
    Laissez le bons temps rouler! Geaux Tigers!

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    Custom frames are great, if you want to pay 50-100% more for a frame with the extact geometry and material as you can buy on a mass-produced frame...but nothing beats staring at your filligreed lugs while in heavy traffic.

    No one talkes about the Pedalforce fusion...


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    This is exotic, but probably way too obscure.

    http://www.bikesoul.com

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    I put this bike on the "Dream Bike" thread....

    Serotta Legend Ti

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    I know I already posted, but how about a Roark or Seven?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadwarrior
    I read this, then read your sig line....
    I fail to see the contradiction, because there isn't one. Thanks for playing though.



    To everyone else, thanks for the input -- a good collection of brands for me to research further.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Towlie
    To everyone else, thanks for the input -- a good collection of brands for me to research further.
    Whoa, whoa, whoa there pal! These other guys barely scratched the surface, just futzing around.

    If you're thinking premium, exotic bikes, something you won't see everywhere, check out Merlin, Moots, Seven or Serotta . . . . . in that order . . . . . . they're perennial members of the all-star team.
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    I own a Calfee and a new custom lugged steel frame from a boutique builder (Jon Tallerico in N. CA). Calfee Luna is well within your budget but for custom you have to go Tetra, the bikes are geared toward racing geometries. Look has some excellent frames many styles ridden in the pro peleton.

    For a custom, if you can meet with an experienced builder more than once it enhances the possibly of realizing your dream bike.

    Enjoy the decision process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmcenroe
    I have a question...

    Is Calfee one of those brands that has cross-stereotypical appeal into the world of retro-grouch, ti-lovers, and OCP? I think of Calfee as the carbon fiber bike for the "steel is real" crowd. Not that I know anything at all or anything, heh.
    Yep. On the other hand, I'm not sure I know what you're talking about.

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    You can also look into Griffen. They are made down the road from me. Very nice frames. They are made from a proprietary boron carbide ceramic compound.
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    Why not just buy a nice Trek/Specialized/Giant frame and then get your own, nonexistent brand painted on?

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    Why not just buy a nice Trek/Specialized/Giant frame and then get your own, nonexistent brand painted on?

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