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classic1 09-16-06 08:25 AM

Pedals - it's gotta be Campagnolo SGR.:D

Like the Delta calipers they are heavy, overengineered, finished beautifully and don't work that great. Unlike the Deltas they can be purchased cheaply.:)

ViperZ 09-16-06 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by classic1
Pedals - it's gotta be Campagnolo SGR.:D

Like the Delta calipers they are heavy, overengineered, finished beautifully and don't work that great. Unlike the Deltas they can be purchased cheaply. :)


Highly contankerous :lol: But classics!

http://blog.so-net.ne.jp/_images/blo...ry/2705948.jpg

I think Clips and Straps on the build may allow me to ride this bike the way I want to, that is I can just jump on it with sneakers and tool around, or go for ice cream with the family without looking like a hardcore biker :D

If that doesn't work, then it will be SPD style clip-less

ViperZ 09-18-06 08:20 PM

I got home today and some more parts had arrived.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/4...6mediumqg8.jpg
Vintage Boxes :D Check out the cool era correct rear derailleur cable housing

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6...1mediumoo5.jpg
NOS C-Record Front Mech


http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/3...3mediumug6.jpg
NOS 130mm/32 hole C-Record Hubs

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/5...7mediumry7.jpg
These are cool looking!


http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6...3mediumus9.jpg
NOS C-Record Levers with Powergrade. Unfortunately they were loose stock (which I knew), and the white hoods looked pretty beat looking when I got them. Apparently they were sitting loose in a barrel, so I got them for a great price, however I got 2 left or 2 right levers. This isn't really critical, as they seem symmetrical either way, and internally there doesn't seem to be a difference. I'll contact the seller once I find out for sure.

Namenda 09-18-06 08:23 PM

Those hubs are hot. You building the wheels yourself?

blandin 09-18-06 08:24 PM

So, ViperZ, more great looking stuff as usual, but what's the eta on this project?

domestique 09-18-06 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by blandin
So, ViperZ, more great looking stuff as usual, but what's the eta on this project?


I'm going to guess two decades before Rad's Tete is done.

ViperZ 09-18-06 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Namenda
Those hubs are hot. You building the wheels yourself?

Thanks, yes, I will.


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Originally Posted by blandin
So, ViperZ, more great looking stuff as usual, but what's the eta on this project?

No Idea Blandin... I need to get the spokes and nipples, find a 7-8 speed freewheel, chain, and that should be about it.

I need to order a Wheel truing stand as well.

http://images.mec.ca/media/Images/Pr...9830552822.jpg

Ultimate TRS-80R Pro Truing Stand

This stand does not require a wheel dishing tool.

blandin 09-18-06 08:37 PM

Well then, the bad news is we won't see it any time soon, but the good news is we will continue to get to see it as it progresses.

ViperZ 09-18-06 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by blandin
Well then, the bad news is we won't see it any time soon, but the good news is we will continue to get to see it as it progresses.

Yes, I was even thinking I may not get to ride it before the snow falls... Unless I took the rims, and the Hubs into a local shop here and have the wheels built, however I really want to build them myself.


Here is a close up of that Rear derailleur cable housing. For some reason these housings have always symbolized Classic Campagnolo to me, as such I really had to find one.


http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/3703/reardes6.jpg

Cleave 09-18-06 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ViperZ
Yes, I was even thinking I may not get to ride it before the snow falls... Unless I took the rims, and the Hubs into a local shop here and have the wheels built, however I really want to build them myself.


Here is a close up of that Rear derailleur cable housing. For some reason these housings have always symbolized Classic Campagnolo to me, as such I really had to find one.

Hi ViperZ,

The bike is looking great and you are doing a fantastic job of finding period specific parts. I didn't know that brake levers from that era were left and right. I still have some spare cable housing like that.

I used to build wheels but gave up when I stopped having to build them regularly (like twice a year). Remember when aluminum tubular rims for training would last a season at best?

ViperZ 09-18-06 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleave
Hi ViperZ,

The bike is looking great and you are doing a fantastic job of finding period specific parts. I didn't know that brake levers from that era were left and right. I still have some spare cable housing like that.

I used to build wheels but gave up when I stopped having to build them regularly (like twice a year). Remember when aluminum tubular rims for training would last a season at best?


Thanks for your comments Cleave. You are correct, 55/Rad has confirmed it for me as well, that the levers are the same with out a specific L-R.

That cable housing sets come up on ebay every now and then. This derailleur one was made for this period of bike as it has the smaller insert to fit into the cable stop on the chain stay, and the other end fits right into the derailleur, perfect!

I never build tubulars, but I have built 2 sets of wheels in the past. I road bike set and a MTB set. You are right, I really don't need to build them myself, I just wanted to.

redfooj 09-18-06 11:28 PM

the rims are Ambrosio, correct? something that pretty deserves nothing less than Italian :D

ViperZ 09-18-06 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by redfooj
the rims are Ambrosio, correct? something that pretty deserves nothing less than Italian :D

Thanks, not Ambrosio, but how about these? ;)

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1175/stradash6.jpg

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/725/strada2mc7.jpg

redfooj 09-18-06 11:56 PM

yeah, thatll do. i love the color :D

ViperZ 09-19-06 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by redfooj
yeah, thatll do. i love the color :D

Thanks, I got them from 55/Rad :) The Hard Anodized rims are so 80's!

classic1 09-19-06 12:42 AM

I remember when I was 17 and got my C Record hubs, identical to those in the pic. "sniff" wish I was still that skinny, had that much hair and could ride that fast.

Coolest looking hubs ever IMO

Remember that there's a special tool for taking the dust covers off the hubs when it comes time to pull them apart for a regrease/service. PITA.

ViperZ 09-19-06 06:26 AM

Thanks Classic, Why does it not surprize me that I would need a special tool to rebuild the hubs..... :)


With the levers mounted on the bars, and the Front derailleur on, it's really starting to take shape of a bike now

mikeoverly 09-19-06 06:39 AM

ViperZ: I don't know how I missed this thread. Beautiful build. Record C is the classiest group ever IMO -- you've picked-up some great pieces.

ViperZ 09-19-06 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeoverly
ViperZ: I don't know how I missed this thread. Beautiful build. Record C is the classiest group ever IMO -- you've picked-up some great pieces.

Thanks Mike :)

I have been fortunate and even silly in the purchase of parts. However in the end I hope I have something that I have always dreamed of owning, that being a C Record equipped Colnago.

classic1 09-19-06 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ViperZ
Thanks Classic, Why does it not surprize me that I would need a special tool to rebuild the hubs..... :)

Hang on, there's a work around discussed here. Wish I knew that before.:D

http://www.bikepro.com/products/hubs...ampagnolo.html

catatonic 09-19-06 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ViperZ
Thanks, a Cinelli Super Corsa would have been my other choice. Those were spectacular bikes as I remember. 14max bought a new one and sent it back right away, I had heard the workmanship of those has suffered of late, however I also have learned that 14max is a perfectionist ;)

Hmm, I might have to know more, as I am quite the perfectionist as well. If that bike won't do, I might just go for a Colnago Master X-lite, if they offer something quiet and classy, instead of their flamboyantly colored monstrosities.

14max 09-19-06 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by catatonic
Hmm, I might have to know more, as I am quite the perfectionist as well. If that bike won't do, I might just go for a Colnago Master X-lite, if they offer something quiet and classy, instead of their flamboyantly colored monstrosities.

I didn't have issue with the frameset itself but the paint was terrible. It chipped and flaked if you looked at it the wrong way. Given the area I ride I didn't think it would hold up to the occasional pebbles, rocks, and rough surfaces I encounter so I felt it was best to return it. I'm sure the ride is incredible but I didn't want to assume the risk on such a flimsy and questionable paintjob.

catatonic 09-19-06 01:38 PM

:( That's too bad. I'm not paying $1100 for a frameset that has crummy paint.

Looks like I might end up looking for another sexy lugged steel frame and getting it chromed/painted. I want that Ferarri Red paint soooo bad.

ViperZ 09-19-06 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by classic1
Hang on, there's a work around discussed here. Wish I knew that before.:D

http://www.bikepro.com/products/hubs...ampagnolo.html

Thanks Classic, that seems to work OK, and I like low tech solutions :)



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Originally Posted by catatonic
That's too bad. I'm not paying $1100 for a frameset that has crummy paint.

I think paint over chrome has always been a bit flakey, and Italian frames (steel) have long been accused of having less than stellar paint quality.

ViperZ 09-19-06 06:53 PM

When I was negotiating the levers for my project, I was told the levers were siting in an open barrel of a warehouse for many years, and that they were really grungy. I ask Nigel at Campyoldy, "How Grungy?" "Enough that they would never be totally clean" I was told.

I asked if the Aluminum was in good shape, and hes said uyes to most of them. So I asked for a picture. This is what he sent me.

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5456/crleversxf1.jpg

:lol: I literally freaked and left it for a week.....

I then found some NOS C-Record hoods on ebay so I bought those, and decided to order the levers from Nigel. I asked that he send me the cleanest, scratch free pair he had. This is what he sent me.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1...9mediumpy7.jpg

By the looks of it he sent me the top left and top right pair in his picture.

When they arrived they looked much worse in person than the pictures show, and if that wasn't bad enough, the NOS Hoods that I so patted myself on the back for finding actually turned out to be a light grey rather than the C-Record White. So I had to clean these some how. I tried various rubber cleaners with no success. The my wife suggested a Mr Clean Magic Eraser

http://www.homemadesimple.com/sites/...uo_product.jpg

In short order, the rubber hoods were looking real fine. I'll recommend this cleaner for most white things, and it seems fairly safe too.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6...3mediumus9.jpg
The Cleaned Levers.

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4...1mediumac6.jpg
My Grey hood compared to the cleaned white.


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