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jburnsdo 07-26-06 06:59 AM

Okay that's going to be sweet. I'm looking forward to this even more than the Tuscany. This should be a great build thread. I think we've all hd the urge to do our own 'Italian Job". Now you'll have to deal with us hounding you for more pics every day:)

ViperZ 07-26-06 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jburnsdo
Okay that's going to be sweet. I'm looking forward to this even more than the Tuscany. This should be a great build thread. I think we've all hd the urge to do our own 'Italian Job". Now you'll have to deal with us hounding you for more pics every day:)

Thanks Man! It will be tough to produce pictures everyday, as the parts flow will be slower than Project Tuscany, and I'm going on holidays this morning .....

Do stay tuned though http://www.htguide.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_tv.gif

14max 07-26-06 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ViperZ
Thanks Max! :lol: Thats an old picture before the upgrades... Should I switch it back?

Yeah, do it. The upgrades are sweet, too...

ViperZ 07-26-06 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by 14max
Yeah, do it. The upgrades are sweet, too...

Contrary to popular belief, bicycles are not really good for you and will drive a person Loco if exposed to it long enough, I'm sure of it... http://www.htguide.com/forum/images/...icon_roll1.gif http://www.htguide.com/forum/images/.../icon_spin.gif http://www.htguide.com/forum/images/...icon_crazy.gif

Thanks!

RoadToad 07-26-06 07:43 AM

We're all crazy, but at least we are all in good company.

Can't wait for the next installment!

roadfix 07-26-06 09:25 AM

My 1993 Record cranks were not engraved, upon closer inspection last night.:cry:
Of that groupo, ergo levers, aero seat post, and the front derailleur were the only components with engravings.

pigmode 07-26-06 09:43 AM

Sweet project!

I'll be very interested in your impressions of the classic Colnago handling. Did you do any research on the fork? I'm not sure whether or not they might have gone to different length forks with the move to straight blades. I also seem to recall that they tweaked the geometry right around that transition period.

ViperZ 07-28-06 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by RoadToad
We're all crazy, but at least we are all in good company.

Can't wait for the next installment!

True dat! :lol:


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Originally Posted by The Fixer
My 1993 Record cranks were not engraved, upon closer inspection last night.
Of that groupo, ergo levers, aero seat post, and the front derailleur were the only components with engravings.

You'll get over it ;) It's just sweet having that old stuff.


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Originally Posted by pigmode
I'll be very interested in your impressions of the classic Colnago handling. Did you do any research on the fork? I'm not sure whether or not they might have gone to different length forks with the move to straight blades. I also seem to recall that they tweaked the geometry right around that transition period.

No I did not, I'll measure the fork when it arrives and see how it stacks up, either way I don't think it will be that adverse. The biggest variance maybe .5 degree on the head angle which isn't a lot, it could certainly be less than too.


I'm on holidays right now on my way to Banff today. I perused a few bike shops in Calgary, but did not find a lot that I was in need of. I did find a cool looking bottle cage for my project, but they only had 1 :( I took it anyway because it was at MEC, and they should get more. It's and Elite Stainless Steel, and hopefully it does not blacken the bottles, becasue if it does, it's pitched, I hate that more than anything :lol:

http://www.probikeoutlet.com/images/aaaaaa.bmp


I also picked up a set or Campagnolo Syncros 2 Downtube shifters. So for the time being it looks like I'm going Classic... ;) But I can always change that :lol:

http://i19.ebayimg.com/03/i/06/47/40/f4_12.JPG

Finding lots of cool outdoor gear, but not a lot of vintage bike parts.

ViperZ 08-08-06 10:58 PM

The Frame arrived today!!

While I'm excited that the frame is here and it looks very straight, it is just a bit rougher than I was wanting it to be. It's perfectly acceptable for a 24 year old frame, but it's not perfect. The paint has some chips, and the decals have some wear and tears. There are no dents or dings in the frame, and all tubes are straight.

Some areas of the chrome could use a buff, and the paint could use a very good clean/polish.... I'm not sure what to do as to build it with the 24 year old patina, or strip it, repaint it and build it as new in 1982... :rolleyes:

If I was to repaint, I would need to find somebody in Canada that specializes in this, as I would like to make some slight changes to it. I know Rocky Mountain and Louis Garneau do repaints, however I'm not sure if they specialize in classic restoration. I would love nothing better than to ship it down to Joe Bell or Cycle Art, however the shipping and duties may cost more than i want it to. I'll have to look into this. Any Canadians or anybody else know or recommend of a place in Canada?


http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3184/cm2ep6.jpg

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/9506/cm1qj7.jpg

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4773/cm3jo7.jpg

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/7167/cm4yc3.jpg

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/916/cm5pn9.jpg


So I can always just build it and ride it, or I can refinish while I collect the period correct parts. If I choose the latter, I'll be in competition with Rad's Tete for length of project time, however he has a 2 year head start on me ;)


I have secured some Record Delta Brakes, and a 1st Generation C-Record Derailleur, So the parts quest has been good so far.

blandin 08-08-06 11:11 PM

Hi ViperZ. It looks to be in pretty good shape in the pictures, but of course in person is quite another matter. If you can find someone to restore it including decals, it would be an amazing bike, on the other hand built out as is would be quite nice as well. Seems that you be hard pressed to go wrong, but I would vote for the restoration - so long as I don't have to pay the bills.

ViperZ 08-08-06 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by blandin
Hi ViperZ. It looks to be in pretty good shape in the pictures, but of course in person is quite another matter. If you can find someone to restore it including decals, it would be an amazing bike, on the other hand built out as is would be quite nice as well. Seems that you be hard pressed to go wrong, but I would vote for the restoration - so long as I don't have to pay the bills.

Blandin, looking at it,it seems with some touch-up paint, polish and some TLC, it could look pretty good for a 24 year old frame, and there are some camps that would leave it original. The Chrome Decals on the jet black paint must have been stunning in it's time, and I have seldom seen a Master like this..... However part of me wants it to be perfect. I'll see about getting a set of Master Decals, and go from there while we mull it over.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2049/cm7ad0.jpg

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/8171/cm6iv2.jpg

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/9901/cm8jj3.jpg

55/Rad 08-08-06 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ViperZ
If I choose the latter, I'll be in competition with Rad's Tete for length of project time, however he has a 2 year head start on me ;)

I have secured some Record Delta Brakes, and a 1st Generation C-Record Derailleur, So the parts quest has been good so far.

Correction, I have a 25 month, 3 day head start. I received my frame on July 6, 2004. It went to the painter on July 27th. Not that I'm keeping track...:rolleyes:

So, tell us about the brakes and the der.....

BTW - beautiful frame - I know that whatever you decide, it's going to be fabulous when it's done.

55/Rad

ViperZ 08-08-06 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 55/Rad
Correction, I have a 25 month, 3 day head start. I received my frame on July 6, 2004. It went to the painter on July 27th. Not that I'm keeping track...:rolleyes:

I stand corrected :lol:

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So, tell us about the brakes and the der.....
The brakes I got on ebay, they are coming from Europe

http://i23.ebayimg.com/02/i/07/d4/e2/6a_1.JPG

The Derailleur is said to be NOS, never installed. However I think I paid more than I should have for it. I had no choice, these ones command top dollars as they are the most prized of the Vintage C-Records I'm told. I paid a fair price for it, but more than I should have ;) (we wont talk about that anymore)

http://www.jaysmarine.com/Campy_C_Record_RD1_LG.jpg

http://www.jaysmarine.com/Campy_C_Record_RD2_LG.jpg

http://i22.ebayimg.com/03/i/07/e7/ag/90_1.JPG


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BTW - beautiful frame - I know that whatever you decide, it's going to be fabulous when it's done.

55/Rad
Thanks, and thanks for all your help! :)

ViperZ 08-09-06 12:23 AM

Thinking about it some more, I suppose I could do most of it myself. If I get a decal set, I could strip it, Polish the chrome like Rad told me (It does look to be chrome under the paint), have my local Auto body shop paint it, then I could take it home put the decals on it (I'm sort of particular about this) then take it back to have it clear coated..... :rolleyes:

Ju$t!Ce 08-09-06 12:48 AM

Very nice, absolutely amazing

goldfish 08-09-06 01:01 AM

i really truly can't wait to see the finished product! i'm quite convinced that this latest addition to your stable will be one of the most stunning bikes around! one day i'll have to swing through sask. to check out your uber-impressive stable of fine bikes.

Lectron 08-09-06 02:47 AM

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Very nice thing you got there ViperZ! I'm Loving it!!
C-record group has to be the most beautiful group ever made.
Heavily priced though. Have an Italian my selves soon ready to go.

Don't think I'll throw in the cash to do a full C-record buildup, but
time will show.

Good luck with your build though. Looks great!:)

ViperZ 08-09-06 06:45 AM

Thanks Gang!

Goldfish, anytime you are in Saskatoon, give me a shout :)


Lectron, thanks! I agree, C-Record is one of the most stunning groups ever produced by Campagnolo. Unfortunately it was expensive when it came out in 1985, and is just as expensive, if not more so to collect today :(

Yours looks to be a nice build too, That will add to your fine collection.

KrisA 08-09-06 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ViperZ
Any Canadians or anybody else know or recommend of a place in Canada?

Dekerf? His website says he does repaints, http://www.dekerf.com/repaint.php I've seen some custom Dekerf paint jobs, they were stunning.

Mariner Fan 08-09-06 08:45 AM

This bike is going to be sweet! Love the lug work on the Colnago. Are you going to keep that fork or switch it with something from that era?

fmw 08-09-06 09:28 AM

Nice Viper. I'm a big fan of Italian Steelies. Looks like yours will be a winner.

yellowjeep 08-09-06 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by KrisA
Dekerf? His website says he does repaints, http://www.dekerf.com/repaint.php I've seen some custom Dekerf paint jobs, they were stunning.

I especially like the pot leaf paint jobs.

http://i5.tinypic.com/244668o.jpg

Ostuni 08-09-06 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Lectron
Very nice thing you got there ViperZ! I'm Loving it!!
...Good luck with your build...Looks great!:)

+1

if i'm using current teen vernacular correctly, that is SICK.

ViperZ 08-09-06 10:56 PM

Thanks Folks!

That Marijuana paint is hilarious, that would really elevate the level of the Italian Stallion :D

So I cleaned and polished up the paint on the frame, cleaned the chrome and touched up the chips with black paint. It's actually looking mighty fine now if I do say so myself. Certainly took it up a level

I will not refinish it at this time, however may in the future, after I have worn it down a bit myself.


Mariner, I'm going to use the Straight fork for now as I dig the look of it. I may pick up a curved fork if I ever see one looking for a home. Actually the Era correct Gruppo for this bike is Campagnolo Super Record, however I want to collect C-Record stuff for now.

Maybe down the road I may convert this to a newer Campagnolo group, depending if I ever find my 1987 Colnago Master Pui in NOS :D

marqueemoon 08-10-06 01:59 AM

This is going to be one hot bike. I've heard mixed reviews on the performance of the Delta brakes but they are certainly unique looking.

Time to look for a NOS white Rolls with the blingin' gold badges.


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