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    Quote Originally Posted by ViperZ
    Anytime I look at another bicycle it makes me want to start another project
    'tis an obssesive and compulsive passion isnt it?

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    oh my gosh this is amazing.
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    Thanks Fix!

    Rad, I'm like that for most of my hobbies


    My Delta brakes arrived today in fine order. They were in very good to excellent condition. Pictures do not do these brakes justice. With out a doubt these are the most beautiful pieces of sculpted aluminum ever to adorn a bicycle. They bring back such fine memories just looking at them, much less holding an Icon of my cycling youth in my hand.

    I quickly slapped them on the Master, and they simply look gorgeous on it, truly made for one another. I think a tear actually fell from my eye when I viewed it........ I'm in love!









    They will need new brake pads, and I may follow Rad's lead with Mathauser's, but I will see about retro fitting pads into the vintage holders as well.
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    Mmmmmmmmmm Delta's.

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    And they came with the 3.5? Nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 55/Rad
    And they came with the 3.5? Nice.
    Yes, the 3.5 Allen key was what salted the deal

    I can't get over how fitting and well suited these brakes are on the Master, most definitely made for each other.






    Now if only I knew of a way to make the guides white again. One way is to go the newer pads/guides like yours
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    Quote Originally Posted by ViperZ
    Yes, the 3.5 Allen key was what salted the deal
    Don't get it. You can't get a 3.5mm allan(hex, umbrako) key over there? Come on?!!

    Anyways. Thought this might interest you. I rebuild one of my C-Record derailleurs,
    the 1st. generation one, and it's now working with 10 speed
    Nothing by it's look is telling it's anything else than original.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lectron
    Don't get it. You can't get a 3.5mm allan(hex, umbrako) key over there? Come on?!!

    Anyways. Thought this might interest you. I rebuild one of my C-Record derailleurs,
    the 1st. generation one, and it's now working with 10 speed
    Nothing by it's look is telling it's anything else than original.
    You can get the 3.5, you just have to hunt.

    Working with 10 speed? How? What did you do? Did you try it with Ergo shifters?

    55/Rad

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    Quote Originally Posted by 55/Rad
    You can get the 3.5, you just have to hunt.

    Working with 10 speed? How? What did you do? Did you try it with Ergo shifters?

    55/Rad
    Forgot some info here I see. Friction Haven't tried them with indexed.
    Mostly because I don't, even in my wildest dream, think I'll get it to work.
    Not that interesting though. I want 10spd, but I don't want a set of new brifters .

    Only thing I've done is to get some new pulleys to fit so the cage don't get into the spokes.
    'Cause the pulley axle has to be worked on as well.
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    ViperZ, that is going to be yet "another" work of art. Can't wait to see it in its final form. Nice photography as always!
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    Oh, my...

    Inspired by this thread, I quickly went hunting on eBay for a vintage steel frame in my size.

    Then I thought, ''What am I thinking? I'm 14!''

    Man, is your project a work of art!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lectron
    Don't get it. You can't get a 3.5mm allan(hex, umbrako) key over there? Come on?!!

    Anyways. Thought this might interest you. I rebuild one of my C-Record derailleurs,
    the 1st. generation one, and it's now working with 10 speed
    Nothing by it's look is telling it's anything else than original.
    OK, this I have to know... Please do tell me what I have to do.


    The 3.5 Allen Key was more a joke, however I'm glad I don't have to go looking for one


    Thanks Blandin and Holyinstant
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    Wow, now THAT is an elegent machine. Not sure why, but I'm curious to see it with silver wheels and some gumwalls. Maybe some era specific Mavic? Shamals? Whatever, that bike is awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ViperZ
    OK, this I have to know... Please do tell me what I have to do.
    Oh. I don't know if you want to do it. Or if I want you to do it I mean that bike is way too nice and original as it is now.

    I did it 'course one of my derailleurs already had taken some beating.

    You need new more narrow jockey wheels. For instance 10spd 10T Campa. A new set of wheels will probably not fit the original axle. My guess is that it's too thick. The new wheels that makes use of sealed bearings also makes use of a shim.

    Change the shim to accept the axle or reduce the diameter of the axle. You'll have to judge what's better. You can't take very much of the axle since the fixing bolt is going inside it (depending of generation. Some have threaded inner cage). Also remember to reduce the length. Careful there. You don't want to take off more than you have to!!

    Finally you reduce the length of the low gear stopping screw by a couple of mm. You don't want that one sticking out more than the other. Doesn't look right.

    If you make use of friction shifters you can also reduce the play (if any) in the upper jockey meaning you can make it even narrower. Not necessarily recommended since the chain can rub into the cage.

    The cage is now narrow enough clear the spokes. Easy. No rocket science involved!

    Regards,
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    Hey ViperZ,

    Where did you get those brakes from!!!???

    They are defintiely works of art. I also hear that they can sort of stop a bike. <JK>

    That Colnago needs to be on display in a prominent part of your house when you are done. I would only ride it on sunny days, with low humidity, 0% chance of rain, and no wind.

    Keep posting your progress shots!
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    Quote Originally Posted by geist
    Wow, now THAT is an elegent machine. Not sure why, but I'm curious to see it with silver wheels and some gumwalls. Maybe some era specific Mavic? Shamals? Whatever, that bike is awesome.
    I'm struggling with this a bit... I think the correct rims would be the Hard Anodized Grey (like the ones I have on it now), however I don't like the fact that rims of this era, always showed wear from braking after a while, much like the ones I have on it now. I was thinking of some newer rims however they are most likely Black with a machined braking surface, this would not be too period correct. Silver was my first thought as well, however I think they would be shiner or flashier than I want and I think I would like the Black or Hard Anodized Wheels instead

    I'm not so sure.... Any other ideas?

    It seems there are some very good prices on built wheels using 9-10speed Silver Record Hubs with Silver Spokes and Mavic Open Rims in either black or silver. These for around $300 or less. Only thing is Mavic is a French and I was wanting a mostly Italian Job.




    I had also planned on getting a set of Tan tires for the period correctness, however truth be known, I have always hated the Tan side wall look



    Quote Originally Posted by Lectron
    Oh. I don't know if you want to do it. Or if I want you to do it I mean that bike is way too nice and original as it is now.
    I can fully understand


    I did it 'course one of my derailleurs already had taken some beating.

    You need new more narrow jockey wheels. For instance 10spd 10T Campa. A new set of wheels will probably not fit the original axle. My guess is that it's too thick. The new wheels that makes use of sealed bearings also makes use of a shim.

    Change the shim to accept the axle or reduce the diameter of the axle. You'll have to judge what's better. You can't take very much of the axle since the fixing bolt is going inside it (depending of generation. Some have threaded inner cage). Also remember to reduce the length. Careful there. You don't want to take off more than you have to!!

    Finally you reduce the length of the low gear stopping screw by a couple of mm. You don't want that one sticking out more than the other. Doesn't look right.

    If you make use of friction shifters you can also reduce the play (if any) in the upper jockey meaning you can make it even narrower. Not necessarily recommended since the chain can rub into the cage.

    The cage is now narrow enough clear the spokes. Easy. No rocket science involved!

    Regards,
    So what type of Jockey Wheels did you end up using? Did you have to turn down the diameter of the jockey axel as well to fit a newer wheel?



    Quote Originally Posted by Cleave Hey ViperZ,

    Where did you get those brakes from!!!???

    They are defintiely works of art. I also hear that they can sort of stop a bike. <JK>

    That Colnago needs to be on display in a prominent part of your house when you are done. I would only ride it on sunny days, with low humidity, 0% chance of rain, and no wind.

    Keep posting your progress shots

    I got them off Ebay. I have read they can be effective stoppers if set up properly, other than that, I can't wait to discover how well they sort of stop the bike


    Thanks, I'll keep posting progress as it happens.
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    re: wheels.

    I think that the DTSwiss RR1.1, Open Pro, or Velocity Aerohead would all be great rims to pair with this bike. I'm running silver Open Pros on my Gazelle right now, paired with Ultegra hubs. Not exactly period correct, but the rim themselves have been around for a good long while. The decals have changed over the years, but pull those off and you'll have about as close to a period correct yet new rim as you can get.

    My next build up of my Gazelle, thanks to some help from 55/Rad, I've decided to go with the Aerohead. Granted, my build isn't going to be period correct, but they too look close enough when built up with 28 or 32 spokes to get away with them.

    Color wise, I've ALWAYS been partial to silver rims on vintage bikes. The open pro and aeroheads are both 'silver' where the RR1.1 is more of a gray color. I think that black rims may be a bit too much black along with the pure black frame, but maybe on the other hand it may be just the right extra touch. That's your call. I'm looking forward to seeing the end result.
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    Having had experience trying to retrofit my 80's Ciocc with appropriate Campy parts, I can tell you that Campagnolo customer service is fairly helpful in IDing parts. I emailed them a photo of a crankset I'd bought and they told me the year and model name as well as the spindle length BB I should get.
    Good luck on your parts hunting, you've got a beauty of a start so far!

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    Thanks Cuda... I have always been partial to the grey hard anodised rims myslef. I agree the black may be too much, but at least it would be consistant. The silver may take too much focus away from the frame, drawing more attention, where as the darker rims tend to me more part of the package. I may borrow a set of silver rims from my LBS and see what it looks like.


    Thanks Don, thats good to know Campagnolo can provide more information. I wonder how much information they can provide on compatibility of derailleurs with various hubs, freewheels or cassettes?

    I was thining of using newer Record Hubs with a 8 speed cassette in friction mode., or just just staying the course and using 130mm old C-Record hubs with a 7speed index or 8 speed friction set-up...

    I'm not sure yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ViperZ
    So what type of Jockey Wheels did you end up using? Did you have to turn down the diameter of the jockey axel as well to fit a newer wheel?
    I made new shims and modified the sides. Went for a blue/purple tacx for the Colnago (not received yet. Have black on for now). I've ordered some 10spd campa pre 2004 wheels for the other derailleur now. Think I'm rebuilding that one too. That's the 'less attractive' one with printed logo/name (-88-90). Putting that one on this frame. (SLX tubing)
    Sorry. Don't mean no Hi Jacking, but I got carried away


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    Nice looking frame, I'm not familiar with the name.
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    I'm sure they are more modern then you are looking for but Campagnolo Neutrons have a nice low profile rim, and while a lower-spoke wheel (not G3's), still look great with a dark rim and silver or black spoke. I think Campy still makes a 32 hole rim (Omega - maybe) matched with a Record hub would be classic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pasqually
    Tubulars? I thought about it, but too much hassle carrying a tire, and the roads up here are brutal for flats.


    Quote Originally Posted by R900
    I'm sure they are more modern then you are looking for but Campagnolo Neutrons have a nice low profile rim, and while a lower-spoke wheel (not G3's), still look great with a dark rim and silver or black spoke. I think Campy still makes a 32 hole rim (Omega - maybe) matched with a Record hub would be classic.

    Looking Great!
    Thanks John, I seen a set of Omegas on ebay and was thinking about it. I would really like some Campy rims, even newer ones, however the newer ones have black hubs (mostly). Now some Omegas or other older Campy rims would be sweet




    I may build my own wheels if I find all the right parts
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    Jesus man. That Trek was ****ing sweet. I remember when you posted that way back when. I'm trying to get my frame powder coated like that but from pictures i've seen of powdercoats, they generally look "dull". Not shiny and bright like your factory paint job.

    Man.

    Don't get me started on those campy cranks.
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