Hilly vs. Flat Terrain
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Hilly vs. Flat Terrain
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I've only been riding a few months on a hybrid so take this for what it's worth. I live and ride in a fairly hilly area with some good climbs. And I thought that was good training for building endurance. But I recently went on vacation down on the Eastern Shore and rode on perfectly flat terrain. I was thinking it was going to be easy, but I think it may have been harder! The difference being that instead of being able to coast along on descents, I was pedaling the entire friggin time. Is my perception correct, or did I just have a bad ride?
Also, flat rides are boring. No fast downhills. Felt like I was in a cycle class just pedaling away.
I've only been riding a few months on a hybrid so take this for what it's worth. I live and ride in a fairly hilly area with some good climbs. And I thought that was good training for building endurance. But I recently went on vacation down on the Eastern Shore and rode on perfectly flat terrain. I was thinking it was going to be easy, but I think it may have been harder! The difference being that instead of being able to coast along on descents, I was pedaling the entire friggin time. Is my perception correct, or did I just have a bad ride?
Also, flat rides are boring. No fast downhills. Felt like I was in a cycle class just pedaling away.
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Ohio is like that, mainly flat, but some good hills, you just have to look far. I actually just found a 40 mile stretch of mean hills a half hour bike away from my house, and it is hard to adjust, I was so used to pedaling non-stop for two hours on flat ground that I thought I'd be doing fine on hills, but they just killed my legs, I'm talking about 8mph uphills.
What I'm trying to say is that you need a little bit of time to adjust to different terrain, but you got the tough terrain out of the way early, flat is easy. Keep at it, find some flats and ride!
What I'm trying to say is that you need a little bit of time to adjust to different terrain, but you got the tough terrain out of the way early, flat is easy. Keep at it, find some flats and ride!
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Crimson, i live in Lakewood and would love to find a few hills aside from the entrance/exits from the metro parks. Do tell!
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I kinda experienced the same thing when I switched over from MTB. I was so used to climbs that didn't las that all that long that, when it came to spinning for more than 15 or 20 minutes, my legs would turn to jelly. The upside is that it didn't take all that long for my legs to get used to spinning. Keep at it bro!
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I think flat is better for building endurance. I wish there were more flat roads in my immediate area. It seems like I'm either climbing or coasting. It's hard to get a steady pace going.
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I'm with deanp, I absolutely love the sections of my rides where it's just a long drawn out flat (or near enough that I am still doing 20-22 on an incline). That said.. when I do hilly rides I definitely feel stronger the next day, it's just tough to keep up motivation when your speed varies between 12 and 45mph in a half mile stretch, and you see the next hill is even bigger.
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Originally Posted by Flak
Crimson, i live in Lakewood and would love to find a few hills aside from the entrance/exits from the metro parks. Do tell!
some hills in hinckley,
and then everything else in and out of the valley
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They each have their points. On a hilly terrain, you wind up grinding away at <10mph one moment, only within 2 minutes to wind up bombing downhill at 48 mph the next. On flats you spin at a steady speed and fight the wind.
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mleess, I felt the exact same way a month or two in when I started cycling. Give it another month or two, and you'll probably feel like you could pedal away for hours at a time on flats...your endurance base will just keep building and building.
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Originally Posted by iansir
Don't coast down the hills.
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I find hills to be way better exercise that the flats. Are you using a granny gear and spinning easily on the hills. Try spinning a bigger gear and huffing and puffing a little. Pushing into the anerobic zone isn't the most efficient way to ride, but it will give you a better workout and will improve your fitness level much faster than easy spinning all the time.
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Originally Posted by iansir
Don't coast down the hills.
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Originally Posted by mleess
My last ride I made a conscious effort to do just that, i.e., keep spinning the entire time, versus kicking back and just rolling downhill. I think it made a difference.
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Originally Posted by mleess
The difference being that instead of being able to coast along on descents, I was pedaling the entire friggin time. Is my perception correct, or did I just have a bad ride?
Also, flat rides are boring. No fast downhills. Felt like I was in a cycle class just pedaling away.
Also, flat rides are boring. No fast downhills. Felt like I was in a cycle class just pedaling away.
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Originally Posted by badkarma
It's less work to maintain a constant speed than it is to constantly be accelerating and decelerating. Perhaps you're just not conditioned yet to constantly pedaling.
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Originally Posted by johnny99
Depends on your speed. A constant 25mph is a lot more work than 5mph hill climbs.
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"Say you do a route at a constant speed and you end up with X average speed. If you were to do that same route while constantly accelerating/decelerating, you'd be doing more work in the end to have that same X average speed."
My high school physics teacher would have pegged you with an eraser just now.
My high school physics teacher would have pegged you with an eraser just now.
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After riding nothing but hilly terrain for the last month or so (on the road and on the trails) I finally went for ride on flat terrain this morning. It was a nice ride, beautiful scenery, but I'm heading back to the hills on my next ride. The change of terrain is funner than riding the flats.
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Originally Posted by rknj
"Say you do a route at a constant speed and you end up with X average speed. If you were to do that same route while constantly accelerating/decelerating, you'd be doing more work in the end to have that same X average speed."
My high school physics teacher would have pegged you with an eraser just now.
My high school physics teacher would have pegged you with an eraser just now.
Do the same 10 miles on even ground outputting a constant 200 watts and the overall ave. speed is
18.23 mph.
So it seems to me that you do more work in the hills than you would on flat ground when going the same distance.
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I think that if you ride at a higher cadence then spinning the whole time is pretty normal. just increase to a higher gear on the downhill, and maintain the cadence. the only thing I noticed when I rode the Seagull century a few years ago is that there always seems to be a head wind no matter what direction your going. the flat area doesn't break up the wind as much as the hillier terrain does and the road surfaces on the eastern shore seemed to be a lot coarser ,the tar and chip had a lot of chip in it. This definitely increased the rolling resistance. I much prefer the variable terrain when riding ,its not quite as mindless as all flat.
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I ride in a very hilly area...after a hour I would really just like to ride flats for a hour and try to maintain that cadence...
that is the dream ride anybody have this route
that is the dream ride anybody have this route
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Originally Posted by onRoffR
the only thing I noticed when I rode the Seagull century a few years ago is that there always seems to be a head wind no matter what direction your going.