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Old 11-01-06, 07:08 PM   #1
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fast road bike with clearance for 700 x 28 tires?

looking for a fast road bike that can fit 700 x 28 tires. currently ride a carrera hercules t9rc, which is amazing, but it only takes 23 tires. i am 6'2" 200 lbs and ride hills (mullholland drive) with some rough roads and i want something more stable. 23s on bumpy descents aren't the most sure-footed. looking at the following frames:

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seems the independent and sycip maybe the only ones that qualify as truly fast (weight and geometry). are there any thoughts on these or other frames that would be appropriate?
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Is that front fork clearance, or front and back, on the carrera?
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Old 11-01-06, 07:37 PM   #3
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Is that front fork clearance, or front and back, on the carrera?
i could fit a wider tire on the front fork of the carrera. but definitely not the rear - maybe a 1/4" between the tire and the seat post.
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cyclocross - everytime - checkout salsa, voodoo, redline, cannondale, lemond, condor cycles, mountaincycle, kinesis, etc


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Look at the Giant ocr bike line they have tons of tire room long chain stay plus they come with long reach brakes. I have a 2006 OCR 2 that i bought for this reason wanted to run bigger tires to carry my weight comes standard with 700x26's on it.
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Agree re cyclocross bikes - depends how much you want to spend. You can get a wicked expensive custom IF or Spectrum. Kona Jake the Snake is good. If you want a little more compliance, thing about Specialized Tricross, which has carbon stays on one of the better models. I think Ridley also makes one that has carbon stays.
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I have a crosscheck. Love it.
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I had trouble fitting a 28 on the front, but room on the back. I ended up with a 25 in the front and 28 in the back. Back is where I really wanted the 28, so it works out OK.

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The Cervelo R3 is supposed to fit some lower 28mm tires. Quote from Cervelo's website:

In very rough conditions such as Paris-Roubaix, we can create better tire & mud clearance on a non-aero frame. Especially with the new R3 and R3 Bayonne frames, the increased tire clearance allows Team CSC to run their 27mm pavé tires. In fact, you can even run narrow 28mm cyclocross tires on these frames should you desire to.
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The BMC Streetfire can run 28's, I think. In fact, Phonak used the stock Streetfire frame for Paris-Roubaix last year. I very nearly bought one until I came across a great deal on something else, but they're still a steal at $775 for a fully-shaped Easton aluminum frame.

EDITED TO ADD: I would call Competitive Cyclist and find out for sure.
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Canti brakes are useful if you want to use tyres over 32mm but for this OP, a road sport bike with long drop callipers would be better. Callipers are easy to adjust with good modulation and Shimano long drop dual pivots have plenty of bite. I use both and prefer my callipers.
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I currently have Specialized "All Condition" 28's on my 62cm Calfee Tetra with Ouzo Pro fork (DA-10 equipped). The ride is truly great. I do not get flats and no longer grimace when I run over pot holes or just about anything else. These tires have really made a remarkable difference in the ride (I run them at 105 lbs max). I will never, ever go back to 23s.

Having said this, in order to get the wheel off I leave the brake adjusting barrel screw near it's limit. Then, when the front brake quick release is tripped, the tire slips though only barely rubbing the brake pads. No problem at all.

Also having said this, the Specialized 28s might be a tad smaller than other 28s. When I decided to get a bigger tire, I gave the bike to my dealer and told him I wanted 28s if they would fit. He mentioned that Specialized 28s ran a little smaller than some others so would likely be fine. In any event, the ride is sublime and they corner and perform very well. I am also 6'2" 200lbs (actually, 205 lbs).

Most of my riding is in and around Roanoke, Va where everything goes up or, comes down. 50 MPH is an everyday affair around these parts. The Calfee climbs and descends with confidence. I attribute this to its design and stiffness.
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Most road frames are designed with enough clearence to accept a 28c tire. But, that's about the max they will go. If you do add 28c's to a standard road frame, don't expect to be able to add fenders.
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Look at the Giant ocr bike line they have tons of tire room long chain stay plus they come with long reach brakes. I have a 2006 OCR 2 that i bought for this reason wanted to run bigger tires to carry my weight comes standard with 700x26's on it.
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I love my '06 OCR zero. Will comfortably take a 28 but I run Michelin pro race3 in 25, sticks to the road like sh*t to a blanket.
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Trek Pilot fits 28 with ease.
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I currently have Specialized "All Condition" 28's on my 62cm Calfee Tetra with Ouzo Pro fork (DA-10 equipped). The ride is truly great. I do not get flats and no longer grimace when I run over pot holes or just about anything else. These tires have really made a remarkable difference in the ride (I run them at 105 lbs max). I will never, ever go back to 23s.

Having said this, in order to get the wheel off I leave the brake adjusting barrel screw near it's limit. Then, when the front brake quick release is tripped, the tire slips though only barely rubbing the brake pads. No problem at all.

Also having said this, the Specialized 28s might be a tad smaller than other 28s. When I decided to get a bigger tire, I gave the bike to my dealer and told him I wanted 28s if they would fit. He mentioned that Specialized 28s ran a little smaller than some others so would likely be fine. In any event, the ride is sublime and they corner and perform very well. I am also 6'2" 200lbs (actually, 205 lbs).

Most of my riding is in and around Roanoke, Va where everything goes up or, comes down. 50 MPH is an everyday affair around these parts. The Calfee climbs and descends with confidence. I attribute this to its design and stiffness.
this could do the trick. however, there is only 1/2 cm clearance between the rear tire and the front derailleur hanger on the seat post - not sure if that's enough for those 28s. if it is, then i'm golden.
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this could do the trick. however, there is only 1/2 cm clearance between the rear tire and the front derailleur hanger on the seat post - not sure if that's enough for those 28s. if it is, then i'm golden.
I should have mentioned that my Calfee was constructed using the standard geometry numbers of a 62cm Serotta frame. So there is a hint more relaxation on my bike than if it had been constructed from Calfees standard numbers on a 62.
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I have some Conti Ultra 2000 700x28s on my Cannondale R1000 (CAAD 8).
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I've had "28s" on my R800 CAAD4, but I don't think they were true 28mm tires. If you get a bike that uses long-reach calipers, 28's will fit well, and you can even add fenders, rack, etc.

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You could get a touring or cyclocross bike with cantilevers, but that's a little extreme just for 28mm tires.
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I currently have Specialized "All Condition" 28's on my 62cm Calfee Tetra with Ouzo Pro fork (DA-10 equipped). The ride is truly great. I do not get flats and no longer grimace when I run over pot holes or just about anything else. These tires have really made a remarkable difference in the ride (I run them at 105 lbs max). I will never, ever go back to 23s.

Having said this, in order to get the wheel off I leave the brake adjusting barrel screw near it's limit. Then, when the front brake quick release is tripped, the tire slips though only barely rubbing the brake pads. No problem at all.

Also having said this, the Specialized 28s might be a tad smaller than other 28s. When I decided to get a bigger tire, I gave the bike to my dealer and told him I wanted 28s if they would fit. He mentioned that Specialized 28s ran a little smaller than some others so would likely be fine. In any event, the ride is sublime and they corner and perform very well. I am also 6'2" 200lbs (actually, 205 lbs).

Most of my riding is in and around Roanoke, Va where everything goes up or, comes down. 50 MPH is an everyday affair around these parts. The Calfee climbs and descends with confidence. I attribute this to its design and stiffness.
thanks rnhood. i was able to fit the specialized armadillos 25s on both front and rear. and while it is only slightly wider than the 23s, it makes a noticeable difference. comfort, handling, and overall confidence improved. so much so i stopped looking at other bikes to buy. or at least seriously.
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